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2018/04/11 10:16:56 (permalink)

Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’

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https://www.standard.co.u...nt-crime-a3810451.html

People have been saying stuff like this for years, I remember it with the Gangsta rap of the 90s and I’ve read people tried to ban Rock n Roll back in the 50s for the same reason too. The irony is a lot of the time the people that make the tunes are just artists playing a persona, it just becomes reality when people take what they are saying literally.

I’ve listened to quite a bit of it on YT, I like the music but the guy makes some interesting points.
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 10:51:25 (permalink)
It's social media and gangs now basically bang out online lol. snapchat/youtube all have intense videos on there of gang members talking crud about other crews so if them vids get loads of views then the other guys feel like they have to respond.
 
R.A's out now. He just did a 10 stretch for bursting a Uzi at Feds on Brixton high road and there weren't drill music then m8. 
 

 
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 11:06:27 (permalink)
From what I can see the right-wing media likes to blame a musical subculture, in this case 'drill' where other hip hop subcultures, gangsta, trap, grime etc have had the blame before. This handily shifts the blame away from the 1% sucking all the wealth/lifeblood out of the capital, and the fact that a large section of London's youth has no way of making a proper living outside of crime, a sad indictment of what London has become for many.
 
The left-leaning Guardian etc chooses deprivation/neglect/toxic masculinity/lack of father figures/social factors generally/police cuts over music, I agree with the latter.
 
Plus of course social media shitstorms between rival factions as knuckles says above, what a mess.
 
Rappers just reflect what they see, no more or less, that's what they do, all the way back to Melle Mel and The Message.
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 11:12:05 (permalink)
Does art imitate life? or life art? 
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 11:43:59 (permalink)
^^ The two are one and the same imo.
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 11:55:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby 0-AID 2018/04/11 12:50:16
If you wanted to increase crime in the UK you would do three things:
- Cut spending on policing
- Cut spending on social care
- Promote a massive widening of the wealth gap so that loads more people are living in poverty
 
The government have done the following:
- Cut spending on policing
- Cut spending on social care
- Promote a massive widening of the wealth gap so that loads more people are living in poverty
 
There's no phenomenon that needs explaining here, if the crime rate hadn't increased then we'd need to start asking serious questions.

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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 12:00:57 (permalink)
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If you wanted to increase crime in the UK you would do three things:
- Cut spending on policing
- Cut spending on social care
- Promote a massive widening of the wealth gap so that loads more people are living in poverty
 
The government have done the following:
- Cut spending on policing
- Cut spending on social care
- Promote a massive widening of the wealth gap so that loads more people are living in poverty
 
There's no phenomenon that needs explaining here, if the crime rate hadn't increased then we'd need to start asking serious questions.




It is worth pointing out though that the report that was leaked the other day did show that the forces that had the biggest cuts in numbers didnt have the biggest rises in crime - so its a tough one to claim that fewer cops = more crime.
 
Fully agree on social care - think the bloke in the story posted alluded to this and the lack of a father figure which is also just as important as much as wanting the government to do everything - parenting is where it starts.
 
Now im not sure how many of us have been in such a situation as the bloke in the story states but if he is a legit guy and is speaking from experience then he knows exactly whats what and surely if someone who has been there and done that states that the music gets them hyper to go out and do shit then should we all really brush it aside and say no it doesnt - especially if none of us have been in that situation so we have no idea?
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 12:08:14 (permalink)
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If you wanted to increase crime in the UK you would do three things:
- Cut spending on policing
- Cut spending on social care
- Promote a massive widening of the wealth gap so that loads more people are living in poverty
 
The government have done the following:
- Cut spending on policing
- Cut spending on social care
- Promote a massive widening of the wealth gap so that loads more people are living in poverty
 
There's no phenomenon that needs explaining here, if the crime rate hadn't increased then we'd need to start asking serious questions.




It is worth pointing out though that the report that was leaked the other day did show that the forces that had the biggest cuts in numbers didnt have the biggest rises in crime - so its a tough one to claim that fewer cops = more crime.
 
Fully agree on social care - think the bloke in the story posted alluded to this and the lack of a father figure which is also just as important as much as wanting the government to do everything - parenting is where it starts.
 
Now im not sure how many of us have been in such a situation as the bloke in the story states but if he is a legit guy and is speaking from experience then he knows exactly whats what and surely if someone who has been there and done that states that the music gets them hyper to go out and do shit then should we all really brush it aside and say no it doesnt - especially if none of us have been in that situation so we have no idea?




Be interesting to know of this metric is also linked to population growth etc
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 12:46:18 (permalink)
geordie007
 
Now im not sure how many of us have been in such a situation as the bloke in the story states but if he is a legit guy and is speaking from experience then he knows exactly whats what and surely if someone who has been there and done that states that the music gets them hyper to go out and do shit then should we all really brush it aside and say no it doesnt - especially if none of us have been in that situation so we have no idea?




I get your point entirely, I'd suggest that it is the message that's helping to cause the violence, not the medium - what people are choosing to say to each other, rival faction v rival faction, not the actual choice of music they are using with which to do this? 
 
I'm 30 odd years older than those involved in this of course, so my perspective is totally different, but history tells us that rap has always had a confrontational, bragging element to it - and what people choose to say via rap could in threory cause no end of shit...
 
When it was NWA talking about police brutality, beatings, harassment, shootings in the late 80s that was a clearly defined and needed commentary. If at the time instead the crips and bloods rapped/cussed at each other, provoking inter-gang hatred violence then we wouldn't be able to say that. In NY at least hip hop calmed down gang warfare in the late 70s, it didn't stir it up.
 
In those days there was no social media of course - you needed a recording studio/label/radio/dj play to get your message out there, not like now - a phone and a youtube account is all you need.
 
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 12:50:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby KNUCKLES 2018/04/11 13:57:18
Buss live corn at an op boi


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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 12:52:57 (permalink)
I probably steal more onions if I'm listening to Reekz in sainsburys tbf
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 13:49:15 (permalink)
Them boy there neek, shed game on fleek
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 13:59:09 (permalink)
some great points made lads
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 14:20:02 (permalink)
geordie007
 
It is worth pointing out though that the report that was leaked the other day did show that the forces that had the biggest cuts in numbers didnt have the biggest rises in crime - so its a tough one to claim that fewer cops = more crime.
 



Yes I'd expect wealth to be a far more accurate indicator than police cuts, and I wouldn't expect them to make the most aggressive cuts in areas that are suffering the largest rises in crime.

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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 14:25:14 (permalink)
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geordie007
 
It is worth pointing out though that the report that was leaked the other day did show that the forces that had the biggest cuts in numbers didnt have the biggest rises in crime - so its a tough one to claim that fewer cops = more crime.
 



Yes I'd expect wealth to be a far more accurate indicator than police cuts, and I wouldn't expect them to make the most aggressive cuts in areas that are suffering the largest rises in crime.




http://newsthump.com/2018...to-financial-district/
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 14:29:58 (permalink)
Is there actually a violent crime wave in London?
 
I thought the London murder rate had been pretty stable and these news headlines were more relative to New York's falling. 
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 14:43:03 (permalink)
Probably that and the media getting over excited about the fact that there was 2 shootings in a day.

It seems like the whole video games encouraging violence thing to me. Wild accusations with no real evidence made by people with fuck all understanding of either subject when, chances are, the opposite is true.
post edited by shroomy - 2018/04/11 14:45:13
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 14:44:13 (permalink)
56 murders so far in 2018, I think that constitutes a problem..
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 14:50:40 (permalink)
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If you wanted to increase crime in the UK you would do three things:
- Cut spending on policing
- Cut spending on social care
- Promote a massive widening of the wealth gap so that loads more people are living in poverty
 
The government have done the following:
- Cut spending on policing
- Cut spending on social care
- Promote a massive widening of the wealth gap so that loads more people are living in poverty
 
There's no phenomenon that needs explaining here, if the crime rate hadn't increased then we'd need to start asking serious questions.




This tbh. 
 
Music has always been blamed in one way or another for inciting violence throughout different periods but it's just an easy out. There's always going to be some people influenced by what they hear but there are much bigger contributing factors, imo. 
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 14:53:21 (permalink)
shroomy
Wild accusations with no real evidence made by people with fuck all understanding of either subject


Did you read the article? lol
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 14:58:56 (permalink)
The strange thing about the 'widening wealth gap' is that EXACTLY the same thing has happened with criminals.
 
The whole drug game has changed massively over 10 years. People at the top have got it locked and there's pretty much no chance of making decent money which leaves everyone else scrapping around at the bottom over pennies. People are getting more and more desperate, which means you end up with people doing more and more wild and reckless shit because they're skint.
 
Some of these kiddies would still be running around killing each other even if they had dough, but it wouldn't be happening quite as much. Nobody wants to risk 30 years when they're earning 5 grand a week.The smaller the pie, the more viciously people fight over it.

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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 15:06:01 (permalink)
Lrrr
The smaller the pie, the more viciously people fight over it.



Good sentence, I'm going to try and use it as much as I can, whatever the context.
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 15:22:42 (permalink)
If you don't think this sort of thing is a contributing factor, along with the bigger picture stuff on policing and investment, you're daft. It all feeds into the same melting pot.


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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 15:23:02 (permalink)
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Buss live corn at an op boi


Kimanchi - Never Can Tell used to turn Marcus-Darkus from a docile pill head to a militant skeng man in an instant
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 15:28:14 (permalink)
Just listened to a few bits on YT. Blah blag my mans got a gun blah blah mans shot an O blah blah.
 
I'm so glad I'm old and past this shit.

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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 15:48:42 (permalink)
If this shit music takes the media focus and the scumbags away from grime then carry on. It kind of reminds me of Grime in the early days but it's become a lot more professional and most of the scumbags got some money and grew up.
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 18:14:39 (permalink)
The new way to gain clout online is to make a vid of you walking through opp areas lol
People love to watch the fuckshit.

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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 18:21:28 (permalink)
Chicago and the whole birth of chiraq/drill scene has clearly had a massive effect on the culture over here too.
Once 300 & 600 blew up in Chicago, nearly every music gang or area started calling themselves numbers 67, 86, 410. Or call their London towns after Chicago/US areas: harlem, raq, a town, dBlock lolol
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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 19:51:10 (permalink)
Niggas been banging since Eurogang and PDC it ain’t new.

Shank shank bang bang was mobbing in what 03?


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Re: Drill rap ‘fuelling London violent crime wave’ 2018/04/11 19:56:02 (permalink)
It's all pretty cringeworthy really lol
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