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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 10:45:37 (permalink)
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Is it such a bad thing? Consumerism is kind of shit tbh



Yes, it is a very bad thing. Consumerism isn't dying, its just changing its habits.
 
Its not just about individual retailers who are struggling and closing down.
Its about the whole infrastructure that supports new and existing shopping centres.
Its the construction design teams (architects/engineers) who spend 2 to 3 years designing large shopping centres before a digger even drives onto site that lose out because landlords cannot fill shops in their centres anymore so don't want to build any new centres.
Its the construction companies who no longer have shopping centres to build that lose out.
Its the shopping centre management team that run the centres day to day, the cleaners who clean the bogs, even old Jim the maintenance guy who's been replacing the lightbulbs for years that lose out.
 
All so our new tax avoiding overlords clean up while paying as little as possible in wages to their warehouse workers.
A whole industry is being killed and there is a lot of people who could lose jobs because of it.
That will never be a good thing, and certainly not for the economy with Brexit going on too.



The issue really is that people are mostly going straight to the biggest retailers and are done with it. Chances are the company will also try to trick them into some sort of loyalty scheme or try to hold everything to ransom with DRM which will only serve to amplify the problem. End result is only ever gonna be less competition giving them less reason to be competitive or offer a good service. People will keep on doing it though, the same ones complaining about the effects of it no doubt.

It's just as much the fault of consumers as it is anyone else to be fair, it's been going on since forever and will probably never change. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't guilty of it myself to a degree.
 
If you did want to try and combat it a good starting point would probably be to teach kids in school about marketing techniques and manipulation. Point out how meaningless a lot of statements within advertising are, show how deals aren't all they're cracked up to be etc.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 11:03:24 (permalink)
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metzie
Is it such a bad thing? Consumerism is kind of shit tbh



 
 
Its not just about individual retailers who are struggling and closing down.
Its about the whole infrastructure that supports new and existing shopping centres.
Its the construction design teams (architects/engineers) who spend 2 to 3 years designing large shopping centres before a digger even drives onto site that lose out because landlords cannot fill shops in their centres anymore so don't want to build any new centres.
Its the construction companies who no longer have shopping centres to build that lose out.
Its the shopping centre management team that run the centres day to day, the cleaners who clean the bogs, even old Jim the maintenance guy who's been replacing the lightbulbs for years that lose out.
 





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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 11:23:09 (permalink)
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The issue really is that people are mostly going straight to the biggest retailers and are done with it. 



But they are not. HoF, Debenhams, ToyRus etc would beg to differ I am sure, BHS before them etc etc
 
HoF being in trouble is a sure fire sign that there are serious problems.
Every big shopping centre development relies on anchor tenants taking their large stores as a draw to lure in customers. HoF was a big draw for them. When these anchor tenants start folding the writing is on the wall.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 11:47:46 (permalink)
Well we'd be talking Amazon, Ebay, Itunes etc these days, the ones you mention have been on borrowed time for ages because they haven't adapted properly to the market going online.

HMV is a brilliant example of this. Back in 2002 it was abundantly clear that brick and mortar record shops days were numbered, however despite having this spelled out to him the CEO wrote off online sales as a 'fad'. They had an online shop already at the time; all they had to do was increase it's exposure, shot some mp3s and make the service not completely shit and they would possibly still be relevant today. They do still have an online shop now actually but nobody gives a fuck lol.


post edited by shroomy - 2018/10/26 11:54:52
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 12:16:30 (permalink)
These huge retailers don't know what to sell. A common complaint is that they don't have sizes.

They're run by cunts who haven't got a clue.


https://www.express.co.uk...losing-which-full-list


Another said: “@Debenhams and @marksandspencer will struggle as there Clientele is either dead or about to die. They don't cater for any one under 70.

“As if the 25-40s are going to shop in there for Slacks and Shirts it's 2018

“Even my grandad has @adidas trainers on these days.”


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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 12:20:57 (permalink)
That would explain the weak online presence I guess, one way or another they're still not adapting though.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 12:22:36 (permalink)
i'd like to see a lot of these big stores fuck off, rents to come down and the high street fill up with independent shops that specialise and people feel the need to support.
 
we have some reasonably new shops popping up in Leicester city centre and they're all doing reasonably well. 
 
we have one of the best street fashion shops in the UK in WellGosh which has just expanded it's floor space x2 - little independent doughnut shop 'Doughnotts' which is a Nottingham company which has expanded into Derby and Leicester. 
 
the days of massive companies that don't specialise and try to cover all bases in huge floor-spaces are done I think. as someone said above - nobody is wearing M&S slack these days - my parents and every older person I know dresses the same was as people my age now. nobody gets old like that any more.
 
I think more and more people are turning to running their own businesses and if rents become more manageable we will hopefully see more people move interesting stores back onto the high street - services, products, etc. 
 
fingers crossed. the huge companies have had their turn, imo. 
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 12:36:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby 21 21 2018/11/01 12:03:31
Wellgosh is a great shop and if i need anything of that nature i'm straight over from Cov for a look.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/30 16:49:59 (permalink)
Mike Ashley will own everything soon:
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46037259
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/30 17:25:18 (permalink)
They'll all close, soon enough, with Ashley bagging a massive personal gain while the parent company avoids tax and folds.


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Re: High street shops closing 2018/11/01 12:01:49 (permalink)
Article on the beep suggesting 200 UK shopping centres at risk:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45707529
 
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