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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/24 21:18:56 (permalink)
Gourmet Burger Kitchen plans to close 17 stores to stay afloat
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45962981

Debenhams 'seeks to close 50 stores' in radical overhaul
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45972428

They've been numerous others that have closed since this thread started. It continues tho.


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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/24 21:21:46 (permalink)
It's ok tho

More takeaways on high street despite anti-obesity push
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45875294

The UK has seen a 34% increase in fast food outlets from 2010 to 2018


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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/24 21:23:14 (permalink)
Won't be long til a handful of online retailers take over everything.

Old people are going to be fucked.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/24 21:31:56 (permalink)
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It's ok tho

More takeaways on high street despite anti-obesity push
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45875294

The UK has seen a 34% increase in fast food outlets from 2010 to 2018




I was watching a doc the other night that compared the effects of a sugar free diet vs a fat free diet (the conclusion to which should be painfully obvious to anyone who has been to primary school) and they were saying that sugar alone contributes pretty much fuck all towards obesity, yet we're trying to combat it by taxing soft drinks apparently.

Money making scheme dressed up to convince mongs that the government are capable of doing something positive, like basically everything.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/24 22:03:54 (permalink)
May have watched the same program. Diet drinks leaves you wanting to fill the gap of no calories and sweet taste, by filling up and eating more, adding calories.


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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/24 22:14:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby S8 2018/10/25 19:35:49
shroomy
Won't be long til a handful of online retailers take over everything.

Old people are going to be fucked.


They’re playing the long game by voting for brexit. Sly old fuckers.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/24 22:38:53 (permalink)
We’ve lost M&S from the town centre, House of Fraser is due to close and if Debenhams goes that’s all the department stores in the centre gone in the space of two years. Newer brands in smaller stores are opening everywhere as well though. Those big department stores are just a bit dated now unless they’re constantly investing in them like John Lewis does, but they’ve spent so much money doing it they’ve not made any profit this year. It’s a bit scary what’s going on.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/24 23:12:49 (permalink)
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May have watched the same program. Diet drinks leaves you wanting to fill the gap of no calories and sweet taste, by filling up and eating more, adding calories.


I'm not sure if that's it but it was the one with these twin doctors doing each diet and going through various tests. Not at all scientific enough to be conclusive of course but interesting to see the effects side by side.

Anyway the tl;dr was that you should have a balanced diet and not try to cut things out as you'll just make yourself ill. It's probably not worth an hour of your time to get to that if I'm honest, it should have been a 10 minute youtube video.
post edited by shroomy - 2018/10/24 23:14:19
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 00:30:32 (permalink)
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It's ok tho

More takeaways on high street despite anti-obesity push
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45875294

The UK has seen a 34% increase in fast food outlets from 2010 to 2018




I was watching a doc the other night that compared the effects of a sugar free diet vs a fat free diet (the conclusion to which should be painfully obvious to anyone who has been to primary school) and they were saying that sugar alone contributes pretty much fuck all towards obesity, yet we're trying to combat it by taxing soft drinks apparently.

Money making scheme dressed up to convince mongs that the government are capable of doing something positive, like basically everything.


thread hi-jack but that's a stupid experiment. sugar and fat are two separate fuel sources. you'll be fine on either individually, Keto and Vegan being examples. more of an issue comes from eating both, as one is more efficient than the other but that's a separate thing.
 
Sugar is being targeted as things like sweets and soft drinks are nutrient sparse and calorie dense, which mean it's easy to consume high amounts of calories in small amounts of time. They hit the brain in the same way drugs do so really you're consuming purely for pleasure rather than nutrition most of the time. 
Lots of people are hopelessly addicted and or uneducated on any of this so taxing it might make people pay attention, it may not. Alcohol and cigarettes have had big tax increases in recent years too.
(Eating/drinking any amount of calories over your daily calorie maintenance level consistently for a period is the main reason for obesity. Sugar makes this extremely easy to do, surely that's obvious. I don't know how you can say it contributes fuck all, maybe i'd need to watch the show.)    
 
People don't care until it hits their wallet or they're in hospital, and even then...
I'd like to think the tax is about trying to educate people into making a distinction between what is nutrition and what is pleasure seeking, what leads to health and what leads to hospital.
The reality and point you made is right though, they dress it up to make it a humanity issue when its purely economic. Listen to us and we will save money (NHS), don't listen and we will generate money (tax). Win/Win.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 08:05:28 (permalink)
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It's ok tho

More takeaways on high street despite anti-obesity push
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45875294

The UK has seen a 34% increase in fast food outlets from 2010 to 2018




I was watching a doc the other night that compared the effects of a sugar free diet vs a fat free diet (the conclusion to which should be painfully obvious to anyone who has been to primary school) and they were saying that sugar alone contributes pretty much fuck all towards obesity, yet we're trying to combat it by taxing soft drinks apparently.

Money making scheme dressed up to convince mongs that the government are capable of doing something positive, like basically everything.


thread hi-jack but that's a stupid experiment. sugar and fat are two separate fuel sources. you'll be fine on either individually, Keto and Vegan being examples. more of an issue comes from eating both, as one is more efficient than the other but that's a separate thing.
 
Sugar is being targeted as things like sweets and soft drinks are nutrient sparse and calorie dense, which mean it's easy to consume high amounts of calories in small amounts of time. They hit the brain in the same way drugs do so really you're consuming purely for pleasure rather than nutrition most of the time. 
Lots of people are hopelessly addicted and or uneducated on any of this so taxing it might make people pay attention, it may not. Alcohol and cigarettes have had big tax increases in recent years too.
(Eating/drinking any amount of calories over your daily calorie maintenance level consistently for a period is the main reason for obesity. Sugar makes this extremely easy to do, surely that's obvious. I don't know how you can say it contributes fuck all, maybe i'd need to watch the show.)    
 
People don't care until it hits their wallet or they're in hospital, and even then...
I'd like to think the tax is about trying to educate people into making a distinction between what is nutrition and what is pleasure seeking, what leads to health and what leads to hospital.
The reality and point you made is right though, they dress it up to make it a humanity issue when its purely economic. Listen to us and we will save money (NHS), don't listen and we will generate money (tax). Win/Win.




This is all true but are there really people out there who are genuinely thinking that they consume soft drinks for the sake of nutrition? They do taste like nothing more than a load of chemicals more often than not, you'd think it would be a big hint. Maybe that's easy for me to say having worked in quality control and seen what goes into some of them, I dunno.


If they want to educate people while saving resources on the NHS the best thing they could do really is make it clear about the standard of care you can expect to get from them when you need it most.
 
Been trying to find the explanation behind sugar/fat alone not being a major contributor without much luck as I can't remember off the top of my head. I remember them saying something about being on a low sugar diet caused the body to digest it a lot less efficiently so you don't all the calories from it or something like that, the one avoiding it was close to being diabetic in the end. It's a Horizon doc from about 4 years ago anyway, London Live has been re-running it over the past week.

As you say the experiment is a little stupid but I think there is a very valid point that people are trying to over simplify everything by saying this and that is bad for you (The lack of consistency should be a red flag, eggs anyone?) when really you need to be looking at your overall diet and lifestyle.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 09:05:58 (permalink)
Back on the topic of high street shops closing it does seem to me that there was an inability by councils to deal with the changing environment once shopping malls and internet retailers started popping up. If we've got a high street full of boarded up shops which could be purchased but only for commercial use which nobody can seem to sustain then surely they haven't taken into account how massively devalued the properties were.
 
When you hear about properties being sold under the conditions that it's used for commercial venture it makes you wonder if it's a sensible idea given that obviously it's not an ideal site otherwise it wouldn't be vacant for a significant period of time. Could they not generate more income by allowing people to do what they want with them and, in turn, make the area more appealing at minimal cost to themselves?

Funnily enough I'm not massively clued up on this, someone do the research for me.


Tenner says this becomes the new politics thread when that and the general election threads die due to too many posts, you're going to hate yourself for this OEM.

How many high street stores have turned into mosques?
post edited by shroomy - 2018/10/25 09:12:49
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 15:20:10 (permalink)
Councils have budgets cut by central government.
Councils try to claw some of this back by rates for shops and parking.
Shops can't/don't want to pay rates so shut.
People don't want to pay to park to go to a high street with fuck all in it.
More shops close as a result.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 16:23:44 (permalink)
High streets are shit anyway. It's juat identikit shite. They should offer significant rent discounts for independent businesses.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 16:30:24 (permalink)
On the rare occasions I go for a wander around a high street I just end up comparing the prices online and ordering on Amazon, especially as you can get some stuff delivered within a few hours
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 17:30:54 (permalink)
Who remembers the milkman?
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 19:16:18 (permalink)
Retail is absolutely on its arse.
All the main shopping centre owners have been busy reviewing their options to convert retail units into leisure offerings within their centres for a while now as they are struggling to get the rental incomes they demand for their retail units.
Some big redevelopments (I am talking over £1bn schemes) have been put on hold due to the uncertainty around retail, which is having a huge knock-on effect for the construction industry.
Not to mention job losses for those currently employed with retailers on the brink of collapse.
Its a crisis that could trigger a recession IMO. 
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 19:42:26 (permalink)
^^I remember spending a week in Warrington for work about ten years ago () and the local paper having a report stating that the new Westfield had killed the high street off. Apparently lots of local shops had flocked to the new centre as rent was lower than the original high street, only for it then to be increased once the initial period was over. All of the local shops went under and the main brands clung on. It was desolate.
 
shroomy
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May have watched the same program. Diet drinks leaves you wanting to fill the gap of no calories and sweet taste, by filling up and eating more, adding calories.


I'm not sure if that's it but it was the one with these twin doctors doing each diet and going through various tests. Not at all scientific enough to be conclusive of course but interesting to see the effects side by side.

Anyway the tl;dr was that you should have a balanced diet and not try to cut things out as you'll just make yourself ill. It's probably not worth an hour of your time to get to that if I'm honest, it should have been a 10 minute youtube video.




It just takes the memory of being a kid to have an apple of a chocolate bar and that every meal should have more veggies the carbs to know I should eat varied foods. Soft drinks were banned, I have always viewed them with suspicion as to how healthy they are.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 19:58:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Willfunk 2018/10/25 23:54:38
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Retail is absolutely on its arse.
All the main shopping centre owners have been busy reviewing their options to convert retail units into leisure offerings within their centres for a while now as they are struggling to get the rental incomes they demand for their retail units.
Some big redevelopments (I am talking over £1bn schemes) have been put on hold due to the uncertainty around retail, which is having a huge knock-on effect for the construction industry.
Not to mention job losses for those currently employed with retailers on the brink of collapse.
Its a crisis that could trigger a recession IMO. 


Blue passports though mothafuckas!!!
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 22:14:13 (permalink)
Is it such a bad thing? Consumerism is kind of shit tbh
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 22:34:07 (permalink)
It’s sad that people will lose jobs, but failure to adapt to a changing marketplace is bad business.

Online retail has been prevalent for 20years almost. If you ain’t doing it right now, you won’t ever.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 22:37:25 (permalink)
Yeah I think we’ll end up with smaller stores that specialise in a certain thing and do it well, as well as the brands themselves selling direct to the public, Nike / adidas stores etc. The House of Fraser and Debenhams here look straight out of the 80s, no wonder no one shops there.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 22:42:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Grade 2018/10/26 02:08:49
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Is it such a bad thing? Consumerism is kind of shit tbh

It isn't caused by a fall in consumerism though. It's just that people are buying more and more pointless shite online from companies who pay pathetic amounts of tax and employ relatively small numbers of people with horrible working conditions.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 22:48:59 (permalink)
Those places are more expensive I dunno what they expect. They've clung long enough to the older generation that aint got a clue about online. We'll end up with large out of town outlets/shopping centres for shopping and the high street will be reclaimed by housing. there just isn't a need for most shops in every town anymore, it'll just be things like barbers, newsagents, food etc.
 
Things change and people panic because they don't know what will happen but what usually comes next is much better. Blockbusters being buried by Netflix for example. Once you go past the nostalgia anyway.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/25 22:51:51 (permalink)
I keep hearing analysts say that these places need to offer shopping as "an experience". That sounds like an absolute nightmare. Shopping is not an experience, it is a chore and forced jollity will only confound that.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 00:37:21 (permalink)
One thing I’ve noticed is a rise in small independent restaurants which is great. 20 years ago there was nowhere good to eat in my town (aside from curry), but right now there’s 8 decent little places cooking up all sorts.

I guess that’s more to do with the slow death of pub culture, but I can see town centres becoming more about eating and socialising as the shops dry up.

Councils are gonna have to be proactive though to stop a slide into desolation, restaurants aside the amount of boarded up shops and homeless folk in town centres seems to be doubling each year.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 02:22:13 (permalink)
I think there's still a place for brick-and-mortar retail, but it simply HAS to be in tandem with a quality online offering. People still like to go to shops, but... nobody has time any more and Amazon etc etc... on weekends though people hit cafes and have lunch and like to walk around and shop at the same time. Weekdays will be a loss leader for many of these businesses.
 
The big chain shops who've creamed it for the past 80 years and been slow to adapt will be the first to go and tbh apart from the jobs that will be lost - who cares about those chains. Hopefully the smaller brands and specialty food shops will find a way to flourish, but it won't be purely through walk-in trade like back in the day.
 
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 09:03:46 (permalink)
metzie
Is it such a bad thing? Consumerism is kind of shit tbh



Yes, it is a very bad thing. Consumerism isn't dying, its just changing its habits.
 
Its not just about individual retailers who are struggling and closing down.
Its about the whole infrastructure that supports new and existing shopping centres.
Its the construction design teams (architects/engineers) who spend 2 to 3 years designing large shopping centres before a digger even drives onto site that lose out because landlords cannot fill shops in their centres anymore so don't want to build any new centres.
Its the construction companies who no longer have shopping centres to build that lose out.
Its the shopping centre management team that run the centres day to day, the cleaners who clean the bogs, even old Jim the maintenance guy who's been replacing the lightbulbs for years that lose out.
 
All so our new tax avoiding overlords clean up while paying as little as possible in wages to their warehouse workers.
A whole industry is being killed and there is a lot of people who could lose jobs because of it.
That will never be a good thing, and certainly not for the economy with Brexit going on too.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 09:07:12 (permalink)
Postman Pat
I can see town centres becoming more about eating and socialising as the shops dry up.



This is happening in shopping centres too.
I am currently working on 4 projects where shopping centre owners are looking to close down a cluster of shops and knock them all into one casual dining area along with cinemas next to it.
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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 09:16:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby S8 2018/10/26 09:42:35
Hammered
metzie
Is it such a bad thing? Consumerism is kind of shit tbh



 
 
Its not just about individual retailers who are struggling and closing down.
Its about the whole infrastructure that supports new and existing shopping centres.
Its the construction design teams (architects/engineers) who spend 2 to 3 years designing large shopping centres before a digger even drives onto site that lose out because landlords cannot fill shops in their centres anymore so don't want to build any new centres.
Its the construction companies who no longer have shopping centres to build that lose out.
Its the shopping centre management team that run the centres day to day, the cleaners who clean the bogs, even old Jim the maintenance guy who's been replacing the lightbulbs for years that lose out.
 


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Re: High street shops closing 2018/10/26 09:28:43 (permalink)
i was thinking about olympus sports the other day. i see that has closed down now
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