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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/24 13:34:43 (permalink)
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When did George Soros become such a hate figure?


Erm, I can't tell whether you're taking this exchange seriously.


No, seriously.

He has become the boogieman to the American right.

All I know of him is he took us out of the ERM and got very rich in the process.



I just wanted to get "Erm" and "Exchange" into my comment to be honest 
 
I think he's become the boogieman in the states because Trump keeps mentioning him and Warren Buffet all the time, and how he's funding the DNC.
 
I assumed he was already a boogieman here, because around ERM time, his gain was the taxpayers loss. Us leaving ERM and the single currency was a blessing in disguise but I don't think that quite absolves him :)
 
edit: sitting around in my pants making investor related puns on a dnb forum - I probably need to reevaluate my life.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/24 14:26:57 (permalink)
Because you don't read and just regurgitate, I'm not wasting the effort of responding in detail to your recycled bullshit. You haven't acknowledged a single one of my points and instead are waging a failed campaign of deflection.
For everyone else:
The USA is fucked in terms of allowing individual states so much power over federal elections, especially the presidency. All of those clickbait titles Captain Illiterate posted are mostly regarding Voters showing state ID. Not sure about England, but here in Canada, having picture ID is a no-brainer. Everyone needs it and everyone has it.
 
 
Contrast his vomit to an timeline on the history of the voting machines in question, co-ran by this asshole.
http://www.greekamerica.org/40-under-40/winners/class-of-2014/winner-bios/the-winner-is/john-poulos/
An excerpt from the bio on that page.
"Identifying that automated voting technology could enable disenfranchised voters a transparent say in their own destiny, John co-founded the Delian Project, a non-profit organization that aims to help post-conflict and emerging democracies implement positive change in their electoral process through the application of technology. John has donated his time and technology to democratic outreach in Africa, Haiti, the Republic of Georgia, and most recently as part of the Arab Spring in Libya."
 
Hmmmm, Haiti, Libya, those ring a bell, didn't somebody in this election fuck both of those places over?
 
All of the following information is contained here
 
 
** VOTING MACHINE EXPLOITS **
 
--US State Department discusses Smartmatic rigging Venezuelan Elections:
https://wikileaks.org/plu...s/06CARACAS2063_a.html - http://archive.is/2q0gk
 
--Dominion Voting and H.I.G. Capital (Hart Intercivic) are two other voting machine companies which were revealed through the Guciffer 2.0 hacks to have made substantial donations to the Clinton Foundation:
https://guccifer2.files.w...dation-donors-25k.xlsx
https://guccifer2.wordpre...04/clinton-foundation/ - http://archive.is/cpAYH
 
--Easy Hacking of Diebold System:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t75xvZ3osFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwWP-N1HqT0
 
--Easy Hacking of Seqouia System:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzZRsXZ5Cz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF3aRTXis2k
 
--Easy Hacking of Seqouia/Dominion System:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUlw-GBWyvk
 
--Computer Programmer Clinton Curtis testifies under oath at Congressional Hearing that elections can be rigged:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thcO_olHas
 
"Murders, Spies & Voting Lies" Clinton Curtis Story:
https://vimeo.com/179250911
 
Maryland and Illinois votes changes from Republican to Democrat in 2014:
http://www.newsmax.com/Ne.../2014/10/28/id/603564/ - http://watchdog.org/17843...t-gop-votes-democrats/]http://archive.is/IxKTXht...t-gop-votes-democrats/[/link] - http://archive.is/rFBql
 
-VOTING SYSTEM RESEARCH-Institute for Critical Infrastructure Technology - "Hacking Elections is Easy"
 
http://icitech.org/wp-con...-is-Easy-Part-One2.pdf
 
http://icitech.org/wp-con...s-is-Easy-Part-Two.pdf
 
""Many e-voting systems, such as those manufactured by Diebold, ES&S, or Sequoia, are nothing more than stripped down embedded PCs without so much as perimeter security."
 
"Voting machines made by Diebold, Hart, and other manufacturers often have hardcoded encryption keys that are shared across their machines. Attackers can use the key to inject code or otherwise alter a system or it can be loaded into malware to bypass security and deliver a malicious dropper or payload."
 
"Without transparency in the design and operation of electronic voting systems, it is impossible to say with certainty that compromises have not occurred"
** SOROS AND THE MACHINES - TIMELINE** 
--2005 Smartmatic buys Sequoia:
http://www.smartmatic.com...ited-states-elections/ - http://archive.is/nfViu
 
-2006 Smartmatic comes under investigation from the CFIUS (Community of Foreign Investments)
http://www.nytimes.com/20...shington/29ballot.html - http://archive.is/3ioG
https://maloney.house.gov...130CFIUSSmartmatic.pdf
 
--2006 Smartmatic sells Sequoia to "SVS Holdings" (created by former Smartmatic Executives) and withdraws from CFIUS (Committee of Foreign Investments) investigation:
https://maloney.house.gov...-withdraw-cfius-review - http://archive.is/Qt9Zd
 
--After dismissing the initial investigation:
https://maloney.house.gov...60511SmartmaticRls.pdf
 
--2008 National Institute of Science and Technology finds Sequoia still uses vote-counting software developed, owned and licensed by Smartmatic
https://www.nist.gov/site...rtmaticReport61208.pdf
 
--2008 Sequoia CEO/President admits that they don't have control of Intellectual Property, but Smartmatic still does:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5927 - http://archive.is/LAiPD
 
--2010 Dominion (Canadian company) buys Sequoia:
https://www.denvergov.org...511023201607582375.PDF
http://truth-out.org/arch...ezties-in-announcement - http://archive.is/4yURE
 
--2010 Dominion buys Premier Election Solutions/Diebold Election Systems, intellectual Property and GEMS election management system from ES&S:
http://www.enhancedonline...en&permalinkExtra= - http://archive.is/yoEMS
http://www.bradblog.com/D...leaseFinal4_051910.pdf
 
--Premier Election Systems IS Diebold Election Systems:
http://www.prnewswire.com...olutions-58271377.html - http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4962]http://archive.is/el5Ahtt...w.bradblog.com/?p=4962[/link] - http://archive.is/4J8h9
 
--ES&S was being investigated by the DoJ for anti-trust laws:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7733]http://www.floridavoters....w.bradblog.com/?p=7733[/link] - http://archive.is/8Cu12
 
--Sequoia Files for Bankruptcy in 2014 (Should they even be usable?)
https://businessbankruptc...oia-voting-systems-inc - http://archive.is/QU23a
 
Linked systems:
 
Smartmatic
Sequoia
Dominion
Diebold
Premier
ES&S
 
--2008 Hart Intercivic has fraud/false claims complaint filed by ex-employee
http://www.bradblog.com/D..._OriginalComplaint.pdf
 
--2008 Hart Intercivic attempts 'hostile takeover' of Sequoia:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5915http://archive.is/8jqpP
 
 
post edited by Whiskey_Bill - 2016/10/24 14:32:17
wiseacre
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/24 14:48:57 (permalink)
nope, we don't have national photo ID beyond driving licences and passports, but no one HAS to have them, much like in the USA. 
 
and several DMVs have been found to deliberately not issue or take a long time in issuing licences so that people could not vote.
 
note that many of the "hackable" machines are in republican controlled states that have complete control of what method is used. voter fraud hasn't been much of an issue in the past, now much is being made of it. I wonder why? of course, should trump win it will be a fair and unbiased election, but the only way shilldog will win is through hacking and manipulation.
 
and the soros link is complete bollocks:
 
http://www.snopes.com/george-soros-controls-smartmatic-voting-machines-in-16-states/
 
Indeed, the Case Studies section Smartmatic's web site chronicles their primarily dealing in providing equipment and services for foreign elections — there's no mention of Smartmatic's being involved in U.S. elections beyond providing a voting system for a Utah state Republican caucus in March of 2016 and pilot testing an ePen for capturing provisional envelopes and vote-by-mail ballots in parts of Los Angeles County.
In fact, a search using Verified Voting shows that not a single one of the listed 16 states is using voting machines provided by Smartmatic in the upcoming election — Smartmatic isn't even listed as a vendor of any voting machines being used in any state.
 
Nonetheless, the false rumor has grown so prevalent that Smartmatic has addressed it themselves on their web site, in a page that includes a statement confirming that no Smartmatic technology is being used in any state during the 2016 U.S. presidential election:
• Smartmatic is 100% privately owned. Smartmatic has no ties to political parties or groups in any country and abide by a stringent code of ethics that forbids the company to ever donate to any political campaigns of any kind.
• The company’s headquarters were based in Florida for many years, but have since moved to London to service its global client base.
• George Soros does not have and has never had any ownership stake in Smartmatic.
• It is no secret that our Chairman Lord Mark Malloch-Brown is a member of a number of non-profit boards addressing global issues from poverty reduction to conflict resolution, including the Global Board of the Open Society Foundation. This is stated clearly in his official biography. Lord Malloch-Brown is a highly respected global figure whose credentials include former Deputy Secretary-General of the United Nations and former Vice-Chairman of the World Economic Forum. He also served in the British Cabinet, as Minister of State in the Foreign Office.
• Smartmatic will not be deploying its technology in any U.S. county for the upcoming 2016 U.S. Presidential elections.
• Our election technology has handled more than 3.7 billion votes over the past 12 years in election projects on five continents, without a single discrepancy.
• As a technology provider, Smartmatic is only responsible for, and concerned with, the technical aspects of the vote. Smartmatic does not comment on specific candidates or outcomes.
• Smartmatic’s voting technology has never been compromised.

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/24 15:29:49 (permalink)
note that many of the "hackable" machines are in republican controlled states that have complete control of what method is used.
-no, they don't have "complete control", learn to read, they are there because that's where they can wield the most influence, a la the democratic primary.
 
 includes a statement confirming that no Smartmatic technology is being used in any state during the 2016 U.S. presidential election:
-the voting machines aren't owned by them, but the IP/software is and always has been smartmatic, ever since venezuela.
 
And lol at quoting a surface-skimmed snopes article that copy pastas corporate press releases as proof. How can voting machine companies donating money to the clinton foundation not ring conflict of interest bells with you?
 
You really are a gullible dullard aren't you.
 
 
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/24 15:37:21 (permalink)
LOL, no point arguing with Bill as he as woke as fuck and we are all sheeple.
wiseacre
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/24 15:51:52 (permalink)
here you mate, you can verify what's being used where on this site if you wish
 
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/
 
lots of companies and bodies donate money to the clinton foundation; that is not proof of collusion. it's a billion dollar enterprise with thousands of donors, programmes and employees.
 
meanwhile the trump foundation fails the standards needed to qualify as a charity and only employs him and his children, whilst making questionable donations.
 
 

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/24 16:51:21 (permalink)
Again, you carry on without reading. 
 
THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY/SOFTWARE ON THOSE MACHINES IS OWNED BY SMARTMATIC AND WAS LICENSED FOR USE ORIGINALLY BY SEQUOIA.
 
Continue on your wind-up, you've past the point of any credibility in this thread. 
http://www.politicaljack.com/threads/why-would-clinton-foundation-transfer-1-8-billion-to-qatar-bank-out-of-the-blue.96632/
 
Trump paying off 100k over a flagpole tiff hardly qualifies as pay for play politics, you shill.
 
Edit: Get Ducked

post edited by Whiskey_Bill - 2016/10/24 17:17:20
wiseacre
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/24 22:43:00 (permalink)
It's good you can accept the inevitable. All the polling has Hillary winning so it looks like Soros won't have to press the big button on his computer marked HACK

I wonder which demographic you fall into bill


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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 02:40:01 (permalink)
I see no transgender attack helicopter demographic represented there. Also, you're really reaching now that you realize that you have lost.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 08:02:14 (permalink)
You're transgender?

It's impossible to lose a rigged election. Got to make the result look plausible though.

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 09:50:47 (permalink)
Yeah we'll see about that, it will kick off hard if clinton takes any traditionally red states.
Also, oh wait, I just reconsidered, I want to be a purple male lesbian fire hydrant now.
wiseacre
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 10:06:47 (permalink)
as a purple male lesbian fire hydrant would you accept the result if it exactly matches all the polling done beforehand (clinton win)? or has soros got his dirty mitts on that too?

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 10:36:45 (permalink)
Not at all, the polling is partisan and biased.  I don't trust the clinton news network to not lie, especially because thats all they have is polls telling them they are ahead. Obama even felt the need to reference the polls as evidence in a interview. Just create another fictitious narrative to reinforce with underhanded muck, sorry bro you only get to WMD the world once.
 
Its the same bullshit as the primary. These machines have proven to be vulnerable and they are going to be in use in the larger districts in swing state cities.
 
You really want this dill pickle as leader of the free world after hillary runs out of dead babies to harvest for stem cells and croaks?
https://www.facebook.com/...eos/10155506363281509/
post edited by Whiskey_Bill - 2016/10/25 10:47:29
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 10:55:45 (permalink)
polling in the US is far more scientific than anywhere else and it has at times showed trump ahead. are you saying that hundreds of polls, that have fluctuated a lot over time, are inherently biased? 
 
i think it's more the case that people are more reluctant to admit they're going to vote for trump if asked in person or over the phone than they are in online polls. and showing clinton marginally ahead could work against her as people don't bother to vote if they think it's a foregone conclusion.
 
polls have largely predicted the results of US presidential elections. this is an interesting read:
 
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-there-any-precedent-for-a-trump-comeback/
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 11:16:19 (permalink)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/new-podesta-email-exposes-dem-playbook-rigging-polls-through-oversamples
 
my link game always stronger
Excerpt from that Atlas Project report:
"Colorado groups and parties should explore a subscription model where both candidates and independent groups can purchase the same microtargeting data."
 
Also, Trump's supporters are too busy working to answer polls, unlike the grifters and illegals and stay at home moms that Hillary attracts.
post edited by Whiskey_Bill - 2016/10/25 11:24:21
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 12:05:40 (permalink)
misinterpreting a 2008 email is a bit tenuous mate:
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oversampling-donald-trump_us_580e4089e4b000d0b157c2b2
Oversampling, though, isn’t about overstating the size of one group relative to others ― it’s about making sure the results for that group are as accurate as possible.
Often, pollsters are looking to get a better picture of a group that ordinarily includes only a small fraction of survey-takers. They’ll make an effort to find extra people in that group, raising the sample size and allowing them to better measure what that slice of the population thinks. Crucially, though, oversampling doesn’t change the weight that any subgroup is given in the poll overall
 
as that article shows (using pew research who get plastered all over the web but the al-right relentlessly), republicans use the same methods as it's the best way to get an accurate result.
 
 
and it works both ways. as i posted several pages back:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/upshot/how-one-19-year-old-illinois-man-is-distorting-national-polling-averages.html?_r=0
 
There is a 19-year-old black man in Illinois who has no idea of the role he is playing in this election.He is sure he is going to vote for Donald J. Trump.... ...Our Trump-supporting friend in Illinois is a surprisingly big part of the reason. In some polls, he’s weighted as much as 30 times more than the average respondent, and as much as 300 times more than the least-weighted respondent. 

Alone, he has been enough to put Mr. Trump in double digits of support among black voters. He can improve Mr. Trump’s margin by 1 point in the survey, even though he is one of around 3,000 panelists.  
 
and I wonder how hillary and her drones managed to influence the fox news poll last week that gave clinton a 6 point lead
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/18/fox-news-poll-clinton-tops-trump-by-6-points.html
 
 
 i noticed your reddit links (that didn't work before you edited them) were from the donald, pretty much the worst place on the internet for objective information on this election. it bans people for the slightest criticism of trump and even for asking questions why. lovely safe space echo chamber they have going on there.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 12:31:34 (permalink)
have a dick about on this map Bill, see if you can get Trump to win
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/election-prediction#map_s=1
 
clinton looks set to win colorado, virginia, wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan and most probably florida too. that takes her well over the finishing line. I can't envisage a scenario where the same happens for Trump, even if florida goes red.

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 13:12:13 (permalink)
Nah Trump will save Michigan and Florida. Fucking California and its 55 votes tho.
It will be close. I can see NY going Trump as well.
 
And grats on putting a little bit of effort, I apologize for the name calling.
/r/TheDonald is quite biased yes, but when all the powers that be are rallying to prop up the most corrupt candidate in american history, you have to circle the wagons. I only go there because the local pedants aren't spinning fiction, most of the top threads are all well researched and based in fact but ofc there is going to be some censorship when groups like CTR exist.
http://correctrecord.org/about/
 
That fox news poll is pretty good and seems reliable but is still too small a sample size to truly matter. 1000 random registered voters with no mention of their affliations DNE 250m people.
post edited by Whiskey_Bill - 2016/10/25 13:30:22
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 13:34:43 (permalink)
I'm surprised fox published it with such gaping holes and a large clinton lead, unless its purpose was to mobilise viewers to go out and oppose her.
 
there was a trump funny interview the other week where even bill o'reilly grew tired of his empty, bullshitting bluster.
 
the electoral college system is needlessly complicated, but at least it's based upon population size.
no chance of trump getting NY, even though rural upstate gives him huge support. the cities are just too big. the difference between them in the polls is larger than anywhere, they've not elected a republican in 30 years and especially won't go for trump even though it's his home turf.  clinton safe seat. 
 
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/new-york/
 
 dunno about florida, circumventing the cuba trade embargo has really pissed off a lot of hard line exiles who were republican through and through, although clinton has said she'll do away with it. and despite all the retirees, florida is an increasingly young and hispanic state, which trends it towards the democrats.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 14:18:56 (permalink)
the poll results are an aggregate of two polling companies, one R and one D.
 
you can't build a wall on an ocean tho and much of the trump rhetoric has been against mexico. most hispanics in florida dislike cholos.  trump just crushed another rally in florida yesterday. the last republican that NY elected was reagan. new yorkers love their actors.
 
out-bullshitting bill o'reilly is a notable achievement tho I must say.
 
Bonus!: Here's an article outlining what caused U.S. Russia relations to nosedive a decade ago.
http://apjjf.org/-Herbert-P.-Bix/2919/article.html
 
 
post edited by Whiskey_Bill - 2016/10/25 14:24:19
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/25 14:33:31 (permalink)
in NY clinton has a clear 20 point lead (as she does in cali). no chance of him recovering that gap, which has remained steady throughout the campaign. 
 
florida is far enough away from mexico for a wall to be only a minor consideration - unless building it sends immigrants across the sea. almost all hispanics in FL are from the caribbean. 
 
another interesting poll with breakdowns
 
http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/
 
 
 
 

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/26 06:51:29 (permalink)
no poll can stop this amount of win

 
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/26 10:49:27 (permalink)
I don't really want to give Bill any more fuel, but it pisses me off when you read an article like this:
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/25/donald-trump-says-he-would-love-to-beat-up-joe-mr-tough-guy-biden
 
The headline suggests Trump is calling out Biden.
 
Then when you read it, you see it was Biden who said he would like a fight, Trump says "yeah I'd be up for that" and gets painted as the aggressor.
 
I guess gutter politics inspires gutter reporting but it's still pretty shabby in my view.

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/26 10:58:32 (permalink)
true, but i guess only one of them is a nominee for US president and he could've just laughed it off. instead he said "I'd love that".
 
he'll moan about media bias and that, but it should come as no shock that this is how it's being reported.
 
 

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/26 11:08:38 (permalink)
here's one for all my brothers darkness
 

 
woke AF
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/26 11:27:36 (permalink)
remind me, what was the david duke controversy?
 
he may not have made overt racist comments about black people, but he certainly has about latinos and alienated a lot of blacks with his comments about black lives matter.
 
as with brexit, trump himself may not be racist, but if you are a massive racist you are going to vote for trump and to an extent his campaign has legitimised and emboldened them. and so it's unsurprising that he has next to no support amongst minorities.
 
plenty of black people abused at trump rallies, including his own "black strategist"
 
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/donald-trumps-top-black-strategist-in-florida-thrown-out-of-trump-rally-for-being-black/25767/
 
same guy talks frankly here:
 
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/head-of-trumps-black-outreach-in-florida-says-piss-poor-campaign-doesnt-care-about-blacks/
 
 

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/26 11:36:29 (permalink)
And wiseacre, the person in question saying he wants to go behind the gym is the current vice-president of the USA talking about a nominee in the race.  The sheer fact that all the dems say is DT this DT that and spew hate, false allegations and ignorance is just too much to tolerate.
 
it should shock everyone that has principles about politics, journalism and democracy how slanted and biased international media syndicates are on behalf of the corrupt globalist elite. No free country is immune to these neo-con pukes looking to divide us to maximize their profits.
 
Also, fuck you and your propaganda you shill, both of those sites are exactly the slanted hitjob drivel that I was referring to. They find a quote, create a narrative and frame it as negatively as possible. Zero objectivity. YOU FUCKING SHILL.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/26 11:56:39 (permalink)
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/26 12:01:04 (permalink)
(((SOROS)))
 
back to the name calling eh bill? i thought we were getting somewhere. sites may be slanted, but you can read the man's words for yourself. even go straight to his twitter if you want.
 
lol at condell
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/26 12:01:08 (permalink)
wiseacre
 it should come as no shock that this is how it's being reported.
 



Yeah agree it's no shock that the Guardian seems to exhibit pro democrat bias. Just moaning because it means that when reading a more serious article I feel like I've got to be cynical/sceptical in order to spot bias, it's kinda tiring having to feel a bit tin foil hat-ish all the time!

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