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2016/10/16 19:51:37 (permalink)

American presidential election

I know theirs a politics thread but figured it might be of some use to differentiate between the two.

Has anyone been keeping up with the email leaks on reddit?
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/16 20:56:50 (permalink)
Hold tight my man bernie. Still going strong with absolutely no chance of winning

Bless him

sigs have returned
 
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/16 21:19:07 (permalink)
Theirs though


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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/16 22:53:27 (permalink)

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/16 22:54:35 (permalink)
Hilary is a corrupt bitch and the DNC propped up Trump as a joke candidate. Hopefully it will backfire. Their electoral system is so corrupt and fucked individual votes dont even matter. They are even already starting the narrative that if trump gets in he might get the insta-boot. This is your future if you sign on to TPP. No democracy, global oligarchy.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/16 23:52:58 (permalink)
this hasn't got off to a good start
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 00:21:12 (permalink)



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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 01:47:10 (permalink)
Hilary was actually fit af in her 20s and 30s. I was really surprised.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 10:46:57 (permalink)
i'm mainly just fucked bored of it all. feels like it's been going on for years
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 10:51:24 (permalink)
Hillary is a power hungry dickhead, but trump is fucking bonkers and on top of all the untrue shit he spouts every single day he doesn't see why he couldn't just use nukes, so there's that. how some people can see him representing their country on the world stage is beyond me. and he's only got as big as he has by the republicans actively discouraging rational debate for the past 2 decades.
 
currently clinton has a 90% chance of winning. a couple of weeks ago it was nearly 50/50. she's got it in the bag.

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 10:53:37 (permalink)
also, the donald is a teetotaller and hillary can DRINK
 

 

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 10:56:27 (permalink)
Has there ever been a worse choice of candidates? (serious question)
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 11:13:17 (permalink)
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Hillary is a power hungry dickhead, but trump is fucking bonkers and on top of all the untrue shit he spouts every single day he doesn't see why he couldn't just use nukes, so there's that. how some people can see him representing their country on the world stage is beyond me. and he's only got as big as he has by the republicans actively discouraging rational debate for the past 2 decades.
 
currently clinton has a 90% chance of winning. a couple of weeks ago it was nearly 50/50. she's got it in the bag.


In fairness that "why can't we use nukes" conversation didn't have a source and from reading the Podesta emails could have been a planted story from the Dems (not the first).

I agree with the ethos that he's a volatile bullshitter though. I saw a clip of him at the weekend saying he had a relationship with Putin, now he's saying he has no relationship with him.

He constantly claimed he was against the Iraq war but his only comments on it were "yeah, I guess so" when asked on Howard Stern if he was in favour.

There's countless examples of these bullshit comments and the fact they haven't been able to pin him down on them while he calls everyone else liars is a damning indictment of US democrats and journalists.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 11:16:33 (permalink)
Mulla
Has there ever been a worse choice of candidates? (serious question)




It is fucking incredible that in a country with 320 million people, these were the best 2 candidates they could find
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 11:22:24 (permalink)
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Mulla
Has there ever been a worse choice of candidates? (serious question)




It is fucking incredible that in a country with 320 million people, these were the best 2 candidates they could find


It's basically in the hands of elites. Trump is the blowback against a system which has become corrupted by money, special interests and the political dynasties (Bush family, Clinton family).

It shows how corrupt and elitist the US politics is when a bloke who inherited millions from his dad can present himself as an anti-elitist man of the people.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 11:23:50 (permalink)
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Has there ever been a worse choice of candidates? (serious question)




It is fucking incredible that in a country with 320 million people, these were the best 2 candidates that could make it through the electoral system
 
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 11:26:28 (permalink)
he's claimed a lot of things, like the help he gave after 9/11, which it turned out he didn't donate shit. he regularly contradicts himself and his running mate and now his position is sliding in the polls he's stoking the flames of the election being rigged before it's even got off the ground.
 
he's going to lose by a landslide, millions of lifelong republicans (the party of moral family values lol) will vote against him; he stands to lose in ohio, florida, maybe even georgia. polling in texas now puts his lead there within the margin of error. places that the republicans would never dream there would even be a fight about are close to slipping to the democrats. amusing to see party grandees distance themselves from him and them self destruct after many years of intransigence. 
 
and a week or so ago he was the first presidential nominee in history to receive NO endorsements from major local newspapers (he might have now), hillary had dozens.
 
don't get me wrong, hillary is an awful candidate in many ways, but at least she has experience and represents progress, whilst donalds represents the death throes of people who want to regress in a world when being white and male and american isn't enough to keep you on the top tier any more.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 12:02:05 (permalink)
There's also some independent guy that all the Mormons are backing in Utah so he could potentially lose there aswell. A state that's been Republican for something like 40 years.
 
Evan McMullin.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 12:06:17 (permalink)
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frizzyd
Mulla
Has there ever been a worse choice of candidates? (serious question)




It is fucking incredible that in a country with 320 million people, these were the best 2 candidates they could find


It's basically in the hands of elites. Trump is the blowback against a system which has become corrupted by money, special interests and the political dynasties (Bush family, Clinton family).

It shows how corrupt and elitist the US politics is when a bloke who inherited millions from his dad can present himself as an anti-elitist man of the people.



It is like Nigel Farage and UKIP all over again, the rhetoric is incredibly similar as well!
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 12:30:30 (permalink)
Trump gives out such mixed messages, I don't really know who he represents. He's clearly not a man of the people as he has spent his life as a businessman avoiding tax - and seems to be proud of that fact. 
He's playing on the anti-Washington sentiment in the USA which seems to be really strong at the moment, whilst praying on the (irrational imo) fears of the public - Mexicans, terrorism, Islam etc
 
As alluded to in many posts so far, it really highlights that this clusterfuck of man is actually seeming like a likely candidate for millions of people and the US democratic system comes up with Hilary Clinton to be the alternative?
Madness

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 12:37:59 (permalink)
Trump will have plenty of material for a new reality TV series after this. Thats the main reason hes running i would assume. 
 
 
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 12:38:10 (permalink)
he was a rank outsider from 16 candidates though, it's not like they came up with clinton in response to him gaining the nomination, the parties' processes ran in near parallel, and the dem's was a 2 horse race which bernie was never going to win. 
 
at least part of the hillary hate is because she's a woman, following a black president. bigots nationwide are losing their shit.

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 12:43:26 (permalink)
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Trump will have plenty of material for a new reality TV series after this. Thats the main reason hes running i would assume. 
 
 




it's been alleged that the only reason he ran for the nomination in the first place was to boost his negotiating position regarding his salary for the apprentice. then he started calling mexicans rapists and CBS (i think) sacked him.
 
and his narcissism is going to cost him a lot, the trump brand is forever tarnished. investment partners are starting to insist the word trump is not used.
 
http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/16/media/donald-trump-brand/
 
then there's the suit over trump university which is going to cost him a lot
 
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-university-its-worse-than-you-think
 
and claims he raped a 13 year old a few times.
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-claims-court-republican-party-us-presidential-florida-a7360636.html
 
 
 

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 13:08:43 (permalink)
One thing I have learned about Trump in this election is to never write him off.

I've lost count of the amount of New York Times and Guardian articles saying he was done and there was no way back for him (this is going back to the Republican primaries) and he always manage to wriggle back into contention and win against all odds.

Frankly his odds of being the Republican nominee were much longer than his odds of getting into the White House are now. He was given no chance whatsoever.

I still think the Wikileaks thing is a big variable that could swing it.

Write him off at your peril, not least because of the Brexit comparisons. Not only did he get the most votes in a Republican primary ever but he has galvanised a load of people (like the leave campaign) who don't vote and are hard to poll.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 13:34:50 (permalink)
polling in the US is a lot more scientific than here.
 
in fact one polling org, the only one that put him ahead, refined it's calcs to remove the weighting of a single black pollee that skewed the results in his favour. some boring maths here:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/upshot/how-one-19-year-old-illinois-man-is-distorting-national-polling-averages.html?_r=0
 
There is a 19-year-old black man in Illinois who has no idea of the role he is playing in this election.
He is sure he is going to vote for Donald J. Trump.
And he has been held up as proof by conservatives — including outlets like Breitbart News and The New York Post — that Mr. Trump is excelling among black voters. He has even played a modest role in shifting entire polling aggregates, like the Real Clear Politics average, toward Mr. Trump.
How? He’s a panelist on the U.S.C. Dornsife/Los Angeles Times Daybreak poll, which has emerged as the biggest polling outlier of the presidential campaign. Despite falling behind by double digits in some national surveys, Mr. Trump has generally led in the U.S.C./LAT poll. He held the lead for a full month until Wednesday, when Hillary Clinton took a nominal lead.
Our Trump-supporting friend in Illinois is a surprisingly big part of the reason. In some polls, he’s weighted as much as 30 times more than the average respondent, and as much as 300 times more than the least-weighted respondent.
Continue reading the main story

 
Alone, he has been enough to put Mr. Trump in double digits of support among black voters. He can improve Mr. Trump’s margin by 1 point in the survey, even though he is one of around 3,000 panelists.


 
 

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 13:44:00 (permalink)
this site is the one to watch. 
 
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
 
 
 

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 13:46:05 (permalink)
Mulla
Has there ever been a worse choice of candidates? (serious question)




No.
 
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 13:48:44 (permalink)
Anyone else seen the Adam Curtis doc all the way through yet?
 
Politicians are almost irrelevant. The banks and markets are in charge.

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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 14:09:06 (permalink)
gutlessrhyme
 
Politicians are almost irrelevant. The banks and markets are in charge.




In peacetime maybe. If all hell breaks loose our politicians and their decisions are kinda important.
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Re: American presidential election 2016/10/17 14:19:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mulla 2016/10/17 15:02:08

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