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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/15 08:53:00 (permalink)
@Ascension, that liquid roller thing of yours is quite nice. I probably would have believed it if I was told it was Calibre from 2003 or something.
 
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/15 09:32:25 (permalink)
 
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Wheres the best place to download samples?


http://www.looperman.com/ and https://www.freesound.org/ are quite good. 
 
http://rhythm-lab.com/breakbeats/ and http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/audio/samples/musicradar-dnb-breaks-samples.zip for breaks and that. 



It was called jungle in those days, not drum and bass. That came later

http://soundcloud.com/sublime-dnb
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/15 09:36:07 (permalink)
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@Ascension, that liquid roller thing of yours is quite nice. I probably would have believed it if I was told it was Calibre from 2003 or something.
 




Ha, nice... I'll take that all day long 
 
Completely agree with you on the technical aspect; if I could, I'd make a track and then always send it to someone else to make it sound technically good. Rouge frequencies getting in the way of what I feel might otherwise be a quite balanced mix bore the shit out of me and properly kill any vibe or creativity I've got going.
 
Surely in this day and age there should just be a "BIG TUNE" button that you can press to make it sound larger, just like "SYNC" for DJing.  I'm too old to spend 10 years learning how to perfect a balanced mix.
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/15 09:53:58 (permalink)
"Surely in this day and age there should just be a "BIG TUNE" button that you can press to make it sound larger, just like "SYNC" for DJing. I'm too old to spend 10 years learning how to perfect a balanced mix."

You can get EQs that allow you to feed in a reference track, then it'll try and balance your mix in the same way. Apparently they work quite well. Also sticking an izotope maximizer and a 'smiley face' multiband comp on everything and whacking it up to full :D

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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/15 09:56:09 (permalink)
Yeah man, thankfully my m8 Wheeler is a dab hand on the boards and can pretty much do whatever technical thing I ask of him. We're totally opposite in that respect. If left to his own devices he'll spend 12 hours fucking around with delay on a snare or something, whereas it comes quite easy to me in terms of what we should do with a decent 16/32 bar loop we've come up with.
 
Just need to find more time.
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/15 10:06:13 (permalink)
My problem is laziness. I either resist copying things out into a whole tune, because I want to keep it as a loop so I can easily tweak things. Or I copy it out too soon, and I can't be bothered to go back and engineer each bit individually. So I'll make a cup of tea and turn the volume up and press play again, cos more volume helps mask the flaws ha.

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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/15 10:20:38 (permalink)
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You can get EQs that allow you to feed in a reference track, then it'll try and balance your mix in the same way. Apparently they work quite well. Also sticking an izotope maximizer and a 'smiley face' multiband comp on everything and whacking it up to full :D



Lol, damn, that pretty much is a sync for production then.  Mighty impressive if that actually works to any degree, though.
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/17 06:34:56 (permalink)
Think i may give this my annual have a go again .

Can we have a remix comp maybe? Ikos was good at them. bbq & bass or summik

sigs have returned
 
BRB
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/17 13:58:18 (permalink)
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Rudiger01
Wheres the best place to download samples?


http://www.looperman.com/ and https://www.freesound.org/ are quite good. 
 
http://rhythm-lab.com/breakbeats/ and http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/audio/samples/musicradar-dnb-breaks-samples.zip for breaks and that. 




Cheers man. Downloaded FL the other day but you need to buy it if you want to put your own samples on it
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/17 14:44:49 (permalink)
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Rudiger01
Wheres the best place to download samples?


http://www.looperman.com/ and https://www.freesound.org/ are quite good. 
 
http://rhythm-lab.com/breakbeats/ and http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/audio/samples/musicradar-dnb-breaks-samples.zip for breaks and that. 




Cheers man. Downloaded FL the other day but you need to buy it if you want to put your own samples on it




You could try Reaper which is has an unlimited try before you buy version:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7yn1zFTrE 
post edited by darkmatter - 2016/08/17 14:45:58

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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 00:47:55 (permalink)
There's only so many hours I can spend tweaking the same kick or snare drum without becoming disinterested and fucking it all off tbh. Still make a few little ditty's on FL Studio/Cubase/Ableton etc. but never taken it seriously enough
 

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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 00:51:07 (permalink)
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 01:11:06 (permalink)
I am also too lazy to finish tunes. By the time I get around to tweaking everything to try and get a decent mixdown etc I tend to get sick of the tune I'm making and just end up fucking the whole thing off.

The worst one for me is when I tried doing a tune for a remix competition. I slapped a load of the stems together and thought to myself yeah that would make a great little breakdown so I set about finishing that section off and was really pleased with the result. Great, I thought, and from there I put together an outro which more or less wrote itself. Only problem is now I have to go back and think of something to put before the breakdown and well, it's been about 4 years and I still haven't come up with anything suitable lol. It really gets me though because I fucking love the bits that I've got down but I just can't seem to find a way to build up to it that does it justice and fits with my initial vision of what the tune was supposed to be like.

In other words my other problem is probably a lack of creativity 
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 12:33:19 (permalink)
Shroomy, I think we might be the same person. 😕
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 13:17:12 (permalink)
You know what might be interesting, a mix off all the half finished tunes by the likes of people by me who never finish anything. There could be some good stuff hidden out there and maybe the feedback from it could give people the drive to go and finish some stuff.

Either that or it could be absolutely terrible lol
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 13:22:43 (permalink)
You sound like my mate Shroomy. In the last 10 years he must have sent me 100 different 16/32 bar loops. And I think he's finished two tunes on his own in the same period.
 
I've never had a problem finishing a tune or getting the arrangement that I want down. I always feel like I know where a tune should go. I just lack the technical skill, big time lol
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 13:44:59 (permalink)
I tend to get a bit further than that, more often not I'll get a bit of an arrangement down but I'll either struggle to get enough in to keep things interesting or I'll run into some sort of technical hurdle I can't seem to overcome.
 
Here is an example where I've come up with a nice idea but haven't managed to quite follow it through. The bass sound is kind of a placeholder, I was flicking through samples for inspiration and ended up chucking on a  "donk" sample with the inital attack removed but of course there was no sub under it so I chucked a sine under it for the time being but I'm sure this is giving me phasing issues so really I need to recreate the sound from scratch. Only problem is I've got pretty attached to the way it sounds and I'm not good enough with FM synths to get something sounding similar enough.

https://soundcloud.com/dnbastupidness/bristol-number-count-rough-clip-1

It was a bit of a bastard just to get that to the point where it is tbh given that the main sample has an 11/8 time signature. It was worth it though if not just for shits and giggles.
post edited by shroomy - 2016/08/18 13:46:07
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 13:56:49 (permalink)
Sounds like there's a few Goldies in here looking for their Rob Playford (and vice versa)!
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 14:06:53 (permalink)
Haha that sample combined the with the Meth one is wicked! I can't really see where you got stuck with it arrangement wise?
 
I sometimes think having a lack of technical knowledge (especially around mix downs) can be an advantage at times, as a lot of the stuff that might cause a producer to sack off a project wouldn't bother me. I'm a punter more than a producer, and 95% of punters just don't analyse that shit as hard as you might.
 
For example, we might spend ages looking for a better quality acapella we found on youtube. Now if we cant find it, my mate would just abandon the idea. But if it's a sick sample that works, I'll just use the fucking low quality youtube sample. I don't care. The sound quality doesn't bother me (to an extent), if I still subjectively like how it sounds in the end - it's going in.
 
I'd make a track out of 32kbps samples if I thought the finished product sounded good enough (it probably wouldnt, but you get my point).
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 14:14:31 (permalink)
The intro was absolutely wonderful Shroomy, sample worked really well I thought ... i absolutely loved that tune as a kid:
 
For the Sesame street headz:

 
Edit: Where the fuck is the download for your tune Shroomy? I need it in my life 
 
post edited by Sheriff Lobo - 2016/08/18 14:26:41
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 14:24:00 (permalink)
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The intro was absolutely wonderful Shroomy, sample worked really well I thought ... i absolutely loved that tune as a kid:
 
For the Sesame street headz:

 
 




 
Only decent thing about Sesame Street animations was this. And it was the fucking Pointer Sisters too! 
 

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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 14:36:38 (permalink)
Yeah that particular one was more of an issue with the technical side (or me causing myself problems by being lazy lol) than arrangement. That wasn't the remix comp one I mentioned earlier just in case you were thinking that.

The mad thing is while I'll sit there trying to suss out ways to make my tunes sound as loud and clean as possible I'm still perfectly content with mixing old jungle records that sound like they were recorded off a knackered dubplate. It is quite annoying when you play it in the car and it's nowhere near as loud as anything else though so I guess that might be why.
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 14:42:20 (permalink)
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The intro was absolutely wonderful Shroomy, sample worked really well I thought ... i absolutely loved that tune as a kid:
 
For the Sesame street headz:

 
Edit: Where the fuck is the download for your tune Shroomy? I need it in my life 
 




I really wanted to finish it before I let people download it tbh but seeing as there's a fair chance it might never happen here you go. I wouldn't recommend playing it out or anything due to the bass issues I mentioned earlier.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/kgrmy8



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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 14:46:32 (permalink)
Cheers Shroomy Lad ... no need to worry about me playing it out, those days are long gone. I basically just want to mix your intro with every drum and bass tune I own. sick, everything sick.
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 15:18:44 (permalink)
Fuck it, have another one.
 
https://soundcloud.com/dnbastupidness/untitled-and-unfinished
 
10 internets to whoever can guess the sample source for the vocal.
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 15:34:48 (permalink)
shroomy
Only problem is I've got pretty attached to the way it sounds and I'm not good enough with FM synths to get something sounding similar enough.




What are you using - FM8?

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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 15:36:01 (permalink)
shroomy
Fuck it, have another one.
 
https://soundcloud.com/dnbastupidness/untitled-and-unfinished
 
10 internets to whoever can guess the sample source for the vocal.




I liked that. Nice to zone out to. Fuck knows on the sample though
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 15:58:47 (permalink)
If anyone's interested, a couple of our recent tunes on our last podcast. 
 
Survivalist: https://soundcloud.com/repertoiresound/repertoire-podcast-003#t=17:50 
Our bash at a more contemporary jump up jungle track. Just a bit of fun. Early days but it's been tentatively signed to a new vinyl label.
 
Euclid: https://soundcloud.com/repertoiresound/repertoire-podcast-003#t=42:20 
Much darker half time thing.
 
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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 16:02:47 (permalink)
shroomy
Yeah that particular one was more of an issue with the technical side (or me causing myself problems by being lazy lol) than arrangement. That wasn't the remix comp one I mentioned earlier just in case you were thinking that.

The mad thing is while I'll sit there trying to suss out ways to make my tunes sound as loud and clean as possible I'm still perfectly content with mixing old jungle records that sound like they were recorded off a knackered dubplate. It is quite annoying when you play it in the car and it's nowhere near as loud as anything else though so I guess that might be why.


 
Every producer's nightmare, I swear lol.
 
Especially when you hear Dr Dre's latest album and sonically it's on another level, even the Premier tune sounds decent and half of his beats never sound that good in terms of mixdown. That's why that EL-B video was such an eye opener. I love his attitude towards the whole process.
 
Then from a D&B perspective, you listen to anything by Dillinja when he was on form and his stuff sounds wrong but right (if you know what I mean).
 
 
 
post edited by 0-AID - 2016/08/18 16:05:52

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Re: Production Thread (for old men) 2016/08/18 16:03:25 (permalink)
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shroomy
Only problem is I've got pretty attached to the way it sounds and I'm not good enough with FM synths to get something sounding similar enough.




What are you using - FM8?




I think I was trying it with Sytrus and maybe something else, it was a while ago. I don't have FM8 to hand although I probably should by the sound of things.
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