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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 14:30:53 (permalink)
SW14
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/27/corbyn-wants-brexit-tv-debate-with-may-before-im-a-celebrity-finale

What a time to be alive.



If Corbyn comes out for this debate and hints at any support of remaining/2nd vote then it's game over imo - Briexit will be finished. That's if he's got the bottle to go all in. Which he obviously wont. They'll spend the whole time avoiding questions and giving meaningless soundbytes and rhetoric.
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 14:40:43 (permalink)
He already has half hinted at it. Then he says it can’t happen, then it might.

I’m resigned to it being fucked whatever happens. Even if there was a second vote it would just carry the battles and division on further and we’d be fatally wounded as an EU nation even if we went back tail between our legs.
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 14:47:47 (permalink)
Corbyn's grievances seem to be ideological i.e. he likes devolution.
 
May's seem entirely operational - she feels the ECJ got in her way but otherwise she doesn't really give a shit either way.
 
IMO.

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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 14:54:43 (permalink)
darkmatter
Corbyn's grievances seem to be ideological i.e. he likes devolution.



Plus nationalization and budget deficits.
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 15:00:27 (permalink)
Yep - does EU law prevent the above though? I think Labour's current plans for bringing contracts under government ownership are within EU rules, and that we can very easily get around any budget deficit rules (assuming you're talking about things like SGP?) through simple creative accounting - much like other EU countries do, but more easily because we're not in the euro?
post edited by darkmatter - 2018/11/28 15:01:31

Ornette
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 15:20:51 (permalink)
wiseacre
and you're pro corbyn and pro brexit?
 
from the orange man bad vid you posted i'm guessing you're well down some mental 4channy rabbit hole.
 
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/orange-man-bad



I read around mate.
Ornette
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 15:22:08 (permalink)
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Ornette
LOL pt. 2

The Guardian is anti-Corbyn, anti brexit,
and is a rag


The Independent Chief political editor is fake news, the Guardian is a rag.

Morning Star or bust?


Only yesterday a story arrives that backs up my position. What could be so hard to believe?


In sum, the Guardian published a story today that it knew would explode into all sorts of viral benefits for the paper and its reporters even though there are gaping holes and highly sketchy aspects to the story.
https://theintercept.com/...evidence-showing-this/
Glenn Greenwald, 27th Nov 2018


referencing: Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy
https://www.theguardian.c...-in-ecuadorian-embassy

It's already been amended twice https://www.newssniffer.c...icles/1706143/diff/0/1
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 16:52:26 (permalink)
darkmatter
Yep - does EU law prevent the above though? I think Labour's current plans for bringing contracts under government ownership are within EU rules, and that we can very easily get around any budget deficit rules (assuming you're talking about things like SGP?) through simple creative accounting - much like other EU countries do, but more easily because we're not in the euro?




Everything in the 2017 manifesto is fine under current EU law.
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 17:07:39 (permalink)
Yeah thats my thinking. Seems he'd be far more limited by views within his own party than any EU rules.

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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 17:09:00 (permalink)
I think that the "have nots" voted for Brexit to even things up a bit - so that the "haves" feel their pain 
 
gutlessrhyme
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/28 20:28:23 (permalink)
SW14
Plus nationalization


There are ways around that. German Railway is technically owned by Deutsche Bahn AG but (I think) the government own all the shares. British Rail PLC could happen couldnt it?
The EU aren't the red tape bogeyman they're often made out to be.
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/29 12:47:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby S8 2018/11/29 16:26:06
Fighting over the big stuff now.
 

 
 
 

gutlessrhyme
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/29 13:30:48 (permalink)
Corbyn thinks BBC will stitch him up and wants ITV or sky. I really can't see it going well for either of them.

A Brexiter pretending to be a remainer and a remainer pretending to be a brexiter.

It'll only end in more people screaming "just get on with it"
post edited by gutlessrhyme - 2018/11/29 13:37:29
Ornette
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/29 16:19:44 (permalink)
KNUCKLES
PM question is going off.

Ian Blackford stood up and said Hammond conceded this morning that the economy will shrink because of Brexit but he didn’t show up for PMQ’s


Caught up with this in the end. Thought the bits about best deal/ worst deal and the "friction & less trade" line were good. The question about the legal advice was timely also–            

I came across this blog on brexit the other day, quite a few interesting entries but this particular one caught my eye

https://medium.com/@White...-may-said-99c7a7b78def

Apparently, this is one of the things May stated in her initial speech on Brexit:
"By this, I do not mean that we will seek some form of unlimited transitional status, in which we find ourselves stuck forever in some kind of permanent political purgatory. That would not be good for Britain."
 

I've tried to mention strongly about this "deal" Theresa May has come back with. Here's a perspective from Martin Howe QC, Brexiteer, on the current proposal:
 
"This vassalage that the UK government now seeks is rare, but not unheard of. It is the system imposed on the former Soviet republics of Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine in their EU association agreements. What will the world make of Britain agreeing to such debasement?"
https://www.spectator.co....eal-the-legal-verdict/
 

Or, if you think that's just hyperbole, and would like more neutrally,

"The UK would then find itself in an arrangement that it would struggle to leave. One of those who has carefully examined the legal implications of this tells me that the backstop will be entrenched in UK law, as the European Communities Act of 1972 was. On top of this, the backstop will create an open-ended international legal obligation for the UK. This would mean that the UK couldn’t simply renounce the backstop or give notice to quit. Rather, it would have to hope that the proposed ‘joint review mechanism’ would allow the UK to leave it. To put it another way, this would be like the UK having to go to arbitration before invoking Article 50. The UK would not have the sovereign right to simply quit the backstop."
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/brexit-is-served-and-neither-option-is-palatable/ (James Forsyth)
 

This is on top of the reports of the government's refusal to release legal advice, which is expected to confirm precisely this, see here (Evolve Politics, 27th November 2018)

Some people are describing as traitorous the plans that May has put forward, I'm not entirely sure they're incorrect.
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/11/29 16:27:30 (permalink)
people like May, Boris, Gove, Raab, Davies, Farage, etc. should all hang for treason, imo. 
 
did you see Davies and Raab picking up their joint Spectator award for best cabinet resignation last night? 
 

 
look at this pair of cunts - all just a big joke to them. fucking up people's lives and businesses BUT HAHA WE GOT A FUNNY AWARD LOLZ
Ornette
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/01 20:16:01 (permalink)
Some light relief.

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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/02 07:26:59 (permalink)
Ornette
Some light relief.





That had me in stitches to be honest
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/03 10:38:28 (permalink)
Brexit uncertaintly fucking pharmaceutical supply chains as firms unofficially stockpile
 
https://twitter.com/WCullmac/status/1068597114253529089
 
 

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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/03 11:34:01 (permalink)
Ornette
Some light relief.





Brilliant 
SW14
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 09:25:32 (permalink)
This is good news. We can stop this whole charade that Brexit “can’t be stopped” now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/04/uk-can-stop-article-50-without-eu-approval-top-ecj-adviser-says

Should mean there is no chance of crashing out with no deal at the very least.
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 09:31:58 (permalink)
doesn't stop the cabinet squabbling over the finer details if it goes disorderly
 
https://mobile.twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1069847819958267906
 
salad or life saving medicine. or water purification chems. totes worth it for sovrintee

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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 10:11:56 (permalink)
We need some riots.



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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 10:27:59 (permalink)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6452607/DOMINIC-LAWSON-hard-not-gloat-travails-pompous-French-president.html
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 10:46:58 (permalink)
Have to say I’m quite enjoying his struggles as well.

Gallivanting around the world stage giving that Bin-Salman a contrived televised ticking off while Paris burns.
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 11:24:04 (permalink)
Graffitti on the Arc De Triomphe (in French obvs)-
"We've cut off heads for less than this."

Gotta hand it to the French, they know how to revolt.
post edited by Whagwan - 2018/12/04 11:25:27
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 11:51:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Whagwan 2018/12/04 12:49:53
Whagwan
Graffitti on the Arc De Triomphe (in French obvs)-
"We've cut off heads for less than this."

Gotta hand it to the French, they know how to revolt.




The word Gilet isn't too far from the word Guillotine. 
 
Makes you think. 
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 12:16:23 (permalink)
Martial law soon ?
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 12:28:39 (permalink)
Seems Macron has actually backed down on the fuel tax now :-
 
https://www.theguardian.c...x-increase-say-reports
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 12:32:23 (permalink)
Worrying portent of what’s to come with climate change etc. Macron tried to make a slightly difficult decision for ecological reasons and people set Paris on fire. We’re doomed.
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Re: To Brexit or not to Brexit? 2018/12/04 12:36:51 (permalink)
Stoopid_Fux
Martial law soon ?


I wanna be Law, you can be Eddy
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