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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 12:23:35 (permalink)
I don’t know - actually having a cogent policy that didn’t change by the week?

Giving the great experiment in grassroots democracy a say in the biggest issue facing our generation?

Corbyn can’t wash his hands of an issue he himself voted for a referendum on in 2011 and wanted to invoke article 50 the day after the ballot.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 12:58:58 (permalink)
Stoopid_Fux
wiseacre
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46360119


"More than 130,000 children across Great Britain will spend Christmas in temporary accommodation, official figures suggest.

One in every 103 under-18s is officially homeless, a 59% rise in five years, housing charity Shelter said."

What about corbyn though




Is this stat right ?





 
In England the number of children in temporary accommodation is at its highest for 11 years.
There were 123,130 children without a permanent home in March 2018, up from 76,040 at the start of 2013.
The last time it was higher was 2007, when there were 125,430.
 
123,130*103 = 12,682,390.
 
sounds about right for the number of under 18s in the UK to me.
 
from this wiki graph it looks like about 13-4m 
 

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Age_structure
 

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 13:45:59 (permalink)
Whagwan
Nah, letting the Tories tear themselves apart is working fine.  I have no idea why everyone seems to think alienating 48-52% (even allowing for changed minds) of the voting public would be a successful strategy,




I guess my concern is that they're already doing this, because if any Brexiter believes Labour would deliver on Brexit they're stooopid because Labour clearly have no conviction here.
 
A "People's Vote" guarantees that the options are limited to "remain" or "drop out on WTO", and Labour's entire strategy banks on people not realising this.

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 13:52:38 (permalink)
Nah, Corbyn is a crack negotiator who can do it better himself.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 14:02:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mulla 2018/12/06 15:27:30
SW14
Nah, Corbyn is a crack negotiator who can do it better himself.




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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 14:24:11 (permalink)
SW14
Nah, Corbyn is a crack negotiator who can do it better himself.



You're strawmanning again, you know as well as I it would be the former Director of Public Prosecutions Kier Starmer doing any negotiating.
post edited by Whagwan - 2018/12/06 15:04:29
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 14:39:17 (permalink)
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A "People's Vote" guarantees that the options are limited to "remain" or "drop out on WTO", and Labour's entire strategy banks on people not realising this.




It can't possibly happen on those terms as it'd be hugely irresponsible to risk a no deal like that. If it does happen it has to be either take a deal or remain.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 14:40:09 (permalink)
J-Corbz is the hero we need
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 14:46:59 (permalink)
single transferable voting on 4 options imo: no deal/wto, something like May's deal, soft brexit/EEA and remain. pick first and second choice. easy.

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 14:59:06 (permalink)
I wouldn't describe that as "easy".
 
What happens if its still split across over all options ?
Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 15:03:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby _Modus_ 2018/12/06 16:22:38
Stoopid_Fux
I wouldn't describe that as "easy".
 
What happens if its still split across over all options ?





We take off and nuke the country from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 15:03:45 (permalink)
Single transferrable vote means it doesn't matter if it's split. I don't see why you would only pick two though. Just rank them 1-4.
 
Soft Brexit/EEA isn't actually an option on the table at the minute though so I'm not convinced that could be on the ballot.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 15:08:04 (permalink)
it would be an option with the EU, although they have some concerns over access for services given the size of the UK economy. it's not like norway.
 
Stoopid_Fux
I wouldn't describe that as "easy".
 
What happens if its still split across over all options ?


 
unlikely under stv as least popular option is struck off and second choices added to the ballot until there is a winner.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
 
post edited by wiseacre - 2018/12/06 15:13:00

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 15:18:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby 21 21 2018/12/06 17:16:19
My preferred option would be no referendum, no Brexit, with all of the subsequently rioting trogs sent indefinitely to concentration camps.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 15:26:43 (permalink)
Re-education camps in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 15:40:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby 21 21 2018/12/06 17:16:30
LHC
My preferred option would be no referendum, no Brexit, with all of the subsequently rioting trogs sent indefinitely to concentration camps.


Brexit voters to be exchanged for Polish immigrants
LHC
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 15:57:19 (permalink)
Each constituency to contribute £250 000 as a parting gift to Donald Tusk when he leaves the EU Presidency.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 16:04:37 (permalink)
compulsory singing of ode to joy before all sporting events with the german lyrics or deportation to the glorious european people's republic of latvia. 

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 16:53:50 (permalink)
Amber Rudd continues to be a world class ultracunt. Not even spin or embellishment, just an outright lie that is proven to be such with the most basic of research from the government's own website. 
 
Is she capable of telling the truth? 
 
https://twitter.com/AmberRuddHR/status/1070380130311307265
 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 17:18:25 (permalink)
SmokedEggs
LHC
My preferred option would be no referendum, no Brexit, with all of the subsequently rioting trogs sent indefinitely to concentration camps.


Brexit voters to be exchanged for Polish immigrants



I employed some polish ppl a few years back and they worked super fucking hard, took no time off and were super decent people to boot. 
 
the country would be fixed and sorted in no time tbh.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 19:15:14 (permalink)
DJModus
Amber Rudd continues to be a world class ultracunt. Not even spin or embellishment, just an outright lie that is proven to be such with the most basic of research from the government's own website. 
 
Is she capable of telling the truth? 
 
https://twitter.com/AmberRuddHR/status/1070380130311307265
 




See Esther McVey for proof they have gone full fake news.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 19:34:14 (permalink)
Teen who is the alleged attacker of a Syrian schoolboy says it ‘was not racial’. He’s decided to say this to former EDL leader Tommy Robinson in an online interview


Well that will definitely prove it wasn't racist.
Postman Pat
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 19:55:22 (permalink)
Fucks sake that man has no class whatsoever. What a scumbag.
Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 22:36:33 (permalink)
lol, ITV have cancelled their Brexit debate plans too, which means May challenged Corbyn to a debate then bottled it when she couldn't pick the venue and format too.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 23:08:24 (permalink)
LHC
Single transferrable vote means it doesn't matter if it's split.


Are we talking Schulze-STV or CPO-STV?

LHC
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 23:31:47 (permalink)
Either of them.
darkmatter
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/06 23:55:20 (permalink)
I like the idea of ranked systems generally, also like the idea of being able to downvote but I haven't looked into the maths.

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/07 08:20:27 (permalink)
wiseacre
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46360119


"More than 130,000 children across Great Britain will spend Christmas in temporary accommodation, official figures suggest.

One in every 103 under-18s is officially homeless, a 59% rise in five years, housing charity Shelter said."

What about Brave Sir Tommy Trenchalot though


Fixed.

Surely the People’s Champion, and latter-day defender of children, should step in and do something about this?
Oh, no, he’s being sued for misrepresenting victims of bullying because the MSM is trying to silence him.
post edited by Duderonomy - 2018/12/08 15:13:35
darkmatter
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/07 09:16:41 (permalink)
Postman Pat
darkmatter
 
A "People's Vote" guarantees that the options are limited to "remain" or "drop out on WTO", and Labour's entire strategy banks on people not realising this.




It can't possibly happen on those terms as it'd be hugely irresponsible to risk a no deal like that. If it does happen it has to be either take a deal or remain.


So what you're saying is a people's vote guarantees we stay in, so there's no point in it, may as well just say "we want to remain". I agree.

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/12/07 09:25:09 (permalink)
We could still have a referendum with only one option. Maybe get some African despots in as independent observers to ensure fairness.
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