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Bertie Bassett
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/15 18:57:45 (permalink)
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/15 19:31:12 (permalink)
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/15 22:22:02 (permalink)
user21
Tin foil hats at the ready

https://www.zerohedge.com...ning-usuk-produced-not

The source is an RT article lol... As much as I'm ashamed to be a part of this country at the moment, I don't think I'm quite at the stage where I will believe a Kremlin backed propaganda news channel that's been so discredited even Labour MPs won't appear on it
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/15 23:10:47 (permalink)
LHC
https://mobile.twitter.com/SpiezLab/status/985243574123057152


I know to trust these guys, they make very dependable penknives.

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 04:37:22 (permalink)
Goodone
user21
Tin foil hats at the ready

https://www.zerohedge.com...ning-usuk-produced-not

The source is an RT article lol... As much as I'm ashamed to be a part of this country at the moment, I don't think I'm quite at the stage where I will believe a Kremlin backed propaganda news channel that's been so discredited even Labour MPs won't appear on it




It's fine for Tory MPs though isn't it? 
https://politicalscrapboo...years-than-labour-mps/
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 06:19:22 (permalink)
The BBC even reported that Theresa May urged President Trump to launch the strikes before parliament reconvened on Monday, to avoid the prospect of such a vote.

 
Very poor. 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 08:05:57 (permalink)
Reece Mogg doing a live call in on lbc at the moment, always funny
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 09:02:07 (permalink)
Whagwan
Goodone
user21
Tin foil hats at the ready

https://www.zerohedge.com...ning-usuk-produced-not

The source is an RT article lol... As much as I'm ashamed to be a part of this country at the moment, I don't think I'm quite at the stage where I will believe a Kremlin backed propaganda news channel that's been so discredited even Labour MPs won't appear on it




It's fine for Tory MPs though isn't it? 
https://politicalscrapboo...years-than-labour-mps/




David Amess amongst them - the one who got roped into campaigning against Cake on Brass Eye. 
 
Nice to see he's still desperate as ever to get on the TV. 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 09:14:26 (permalink)
SW14
The BBC even reported that Theresa May urged President Trump to launch the strikes before parliament reconvened on Monday, to avoid the prospect of such a vote.

 
Very poor. 


What did you get up to over the weekend Theresa? Oh you know, a spot of gardening, some reading, bombed Syria.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 09:56:04 (permalink)
Let's hope the electorate manages to remember what an arrogant dangerous cunt she is by the local elections.
 
Not convinced they will after a few more dead cats


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 10:37:22 (permalink)
TBH I'm glad T.May intervened and kept the moral high ground for the good of the Syrian people. I mean I wonder what has saved more Syrian lives; dropping bombs on Syria over the weekend, or Germany letting in a million refugees fleeing such bombs? Oh. Hold on....
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 11:11:14 (permalink)
fucking hell. Incompetence squared

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 11:36:23 (permalink)
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Whagwan
Fucking calling Tommy Robinson a hero FFS. You've gone beyond parody.


Let’s see how you are both judged by history.

I know who I would rather have next to me in the trenches.
 
SW14
Razor



Wouldn’t be you either you VR silver spoon parasite. Look forward to our first encounter.




 
FFS SW14
 
post edited by Ankle - 2018/04/16 11:37:36
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 11:41:32 (permalink)
Fox 'news' will never let you down!
 

 
 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 14:50:54 (permalink)
Amber Rudd should go. Totally incompetent. Admits that some Windrush generation migrants were “deported in error”, doesn’t know how many, doesn’t say if they will be allowed back or what is being done to address their cases.

Her department, unnecessarily, accepts 300 odd thousand non-EU migrants per year and then launches people, British citizens, that have been here for 50 years?

Rudd: "The Home Office has become too concerned with policy and strategy and lost sight of the individual."


It’s almost like there’s somebody in charge of the Home Office.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 14:58:06 (permalink)
At least the Home Office has some useful advice for you in their “Coming Home To Jamaica” guide to being deported.

https://www.gov.uk/govern...-home-to-jamaica-guide

post edited by wiseacre - 2018/04/16 14:59:48

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 15:04:43 (permalink)
Try to be Jamaican lol
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 15:06:31 (permalink)
Similar to something you'd expect to see in the Simpsons. A leaflet saying 'So you're being deported'
Resettling in Jamaica:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/479438/Coming_Home_Booklet.pdf
 
A couple of highlights:
 

If you experience mental health problems, you should:
 develop supportive relationships where you can: contact family members and friends and establish supportive and healthy relationships;
 develop a healthy lifestyle: eat well, manage your stress, get adequate sleep and exercise;

 
And should you be struggling and not have a home waiting for you when you get there, then you can pitch up to this lovely place, can you imagine:
Open Arms Drop-In Centre is a hostel providing emergency and longer term accommodation for up to ninety (90) men.

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 15:23:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby S8 2018/04/16 15:54:22
The Immigration and Asylum system in the UK has been in total disarray for a several years now. I'm glad this shit is all coming out now and hopefully a few heads will roll as a result. 
 
The real travesty is that May won't be held accountable for it and she is ultimately the source of much of this mess. 
 
The Immigration Act 2014 is what removed a standard legal protection for these Windrush cases - that's on May's watch. 
 
Only last week as well it was confirmed that around 50% of immigration and asylum appeals are succeeding. This means that there is either total incompetence in decision making, or that these decisions are based on anti-immigration policy rather than the actual law. Not only is this horrendously unfair on the applicants (as cases take 6 months - 2 years for a decision which is a long time to be in limbo), it is also a massive waste of public funds as appeals cost thousands per case.
 
Staggering incompetence + contempt for the individual = the Tory Home Secretary. 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 15:25:26 (permalink)
SW14
Amber Rudd should go. Totally incompetent. Admits that some Windrush generation migrants were “deported in error”, doesn’t know how many, doesn’t say if they will be allowed back or what is being done to address their cases.

Her department, unnecessarily, accepts 300 odd thousand non-EU migrants per year and then launches people, British citizens, that have been here for 50 years?

Rudd: "The Home Office has become too concerned with policy and strategy and lost sight of the individual."


It’s almost like there’s somebody in charge of the Home Office.



Totally agree, makes me ashamed of our country seeing this happen to people invited over 50 odd years ago, only to then be deported sue to the incompetence of the government. I'd blame May alongside Rudd as well, I expect these are policies that she initiated before she became PM.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 15:47:43 (permalink)
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SW14
Amber Rudd should go. Totally incompetent. Admits that some Windrush generation migrants were “deported in error”, doesn’t know how many, doesn’t say if they will be allowed back or what is being done to address their cases.

Her department, unnecessarily, accepts 300 odd thousand non-EU migrants per year and then launches people, British citizens, that have been here for 50 years?

Rudd: "The Home Office has become too concerned with policy and strategy and lost sight of the individual."


It’s almost like there’s somebody in charge of the Home Office.



Totally agree, makes me ashamed of our country seeing this happen to people invited over 50 odd years ago, only to then be deported sue to the incompetence of the government. I'd blame May alongside Rudd as well, I expect these are policies that she initiated before she became PM.




Yep. Not a surprise. They're both incompetent.
 
If they want to do something about migration, stop accepting 300,000 people per year from outside the EU. There is no requirement to do so and we simply don't need migration on that scale. That's very easy for them to deal with without having to harrass and illegally British citizens who have been in the country for decades.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 15:54:05 (permalink)
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SW14
Amber Rudd should go. Totally incompetent. Admits that some Windrush generation migrants were “deported in error”, doesn’t know how many, doesn’t say if they will be allowed back or what is being done to address their cases.

Her department, unnecessarily, accepts 300 odd thousand non-EU migrants per year and then launches people, British citizens, that have been here for 50 years?

Rudd: "The Home Office has become too concerned with policy and strategy and lost sight of the individual."


It’s almost like there’s somebody in charge of the Home Office.



Totally agree, makes me ashamed of our country seeing this happen to people invited over 50 odd years ago, only to then be deported sue to the incompetence of the government. I'd blame May alongside Rudd as well, I expect these are policies that she initiated before she became PM.




Yep. Not a surprise. They're both incompetent.
 
If they want to do something about migration, stop accepting 300,000 people per year from outside the EU. There is no requirement to do so and we simply don't need migration on that scale. That's very easy for them to deal with without having to harrass and illegally British citizens who have been in the country for decades.




We are bound by Human Rights obligations though. If applicants meet the fairly stringent requirements for Article 8 ECHR (family and private life) applications, then the Home Office has no choice but to grant them leave to remain. The thing is, they refuse loads of them anyway then we all have to pay the cost of the Home Office's refusal being overturned on appeal. 
 
I also think it's misleading to quote that number as if it's a disgraceful figure. Plenty of these are coming on entrepreneurship visas, investor visas as well as loads of legitimate spouse visas for couples (who have to meet a minimum income threshold so can't be said to be scrounging). There's a whole host of reasons for migration beyond your low income migrant who wants a better life, or asylum seekers. When you take these into account, 300,000 is not a ridiculous figure imo. 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/16 16:15:47 (permalink)
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Let's hope the electorate manages to remember what an arrogant dangerous cunt she is by the local elections.
 
Not convinced they will after a few more dead cats


I’m more worried about Corbyn’s loss of momentum because as much as he can whip up support for fledgling services in the U.K. he doesn’t seem to have a grasp or show the level of confidence needed for international relations.

I agree we should be looking at facts and investigating accidents more thoroughly before accusing nations or bombing them but the average joe bloggs will want some sort of action given. Or at least condemnation. Something Corbyn doesn’t seem to do well
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/17 13:15:03 (permalink)

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/17 15:30:17 (permalink)
Very interesting bit from Akala on "post war immigration"


Post war 'mass migration' myths and realities, a thread.


So you may have seen lots of seemingly ridiculous commonwealth deportation cases recently, like this one

Man who moved from Antigua 59 years ago told he is in UK illegally Home Office treatment of Elwaldo Romeo’s case branded threatening and discriminatory [link=https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/30/antiguan-who-has-lived-59-years-in-britain-told-he-is-in-uk-illegally?CMP=share_btn_tw]https://www.theguardian.c...gally?CMP=share_btn_tw [/link]







But when you understand the history of British commonwealth immigration policy you will see these cases are perfectly consistent and not *shocking* at all...


Before we start the thread proper 2 things to note. 1 - I am posting sourced evidence, adjectives and slogans are not counterarguments, but counter evidence if you have it, is welcome.


2 - My sources are: Whitewashing Britain by Paul, The Battle Of Britishness by Kushner, An Immigration history of Britain by Panayi and Race, Migration and schooling by Tierny. Safe


First thing to note: The 1948 British nationality act made citizens of the entire British Commonwealth, with (theoretically) the same rights, including the right to work and live in Britain


So to speak of literal British citizens (and taxpayers before they even arrived here) including war vets as immigrants or 'coloured labor (as they were noted at the time) tells its own story...


You will often hear British people being given space to go on TV (unchallenged by anyone who knows better) to talk of British citizens as being 'post war mass migration'...


However they conveniently forget that between the end of the war and mid/late 60's 1.5 million domestic Brits accepted state subsidised migration to Canada, NZ, AUZ, ZIM & SA at a cost of £7.5 million (back then)...


75% of those British emigrant families could not have even afforded the journey without state subsidy so they did not 'pull themselves up by the bootsraps' or 'pay their own way'...


To put 1.5 million people into context that is more than all of the people who have migrated to Britain from India, ever. Or from the entire African continent, ever...


So that means more poor Brits accepted state (commonwealth) subsidised migration in the post war years than all of the people that have to to Britain from India or Africa (though not both places combined)


and they were often migrating to places where the natives were prevented by law from engaging in skilled work (for all the 'people come over here and take our jobs lot')


So in the same year as the British nationality act 1948 a few Caribbean British citizens (not just Jamaicans as has been said) decided to pay for themselves to come to the mothers country....


Many people know about the Windrush boat but there was actually an earlier boat called the Orbita... either way...


The Windrush brought 492 fee paying British citizens, who were mostly skilled workers to mainland Britain. Atless government referred to them as an 'incursion' ...


And took steps to identify the 'ringleaders' so that no further 'influxes' would be encouraged...


During the exact same period Atlees government spent £18.1 million of taxpayers (commonwealth) money to bring 345,000 non British citizens to the UK.


All in all post war British governments brought at least 600,000 people from post war (pre EU) Europe at the taxpayers expense - whose grandchildren are now apparently indigenous 'British' and will NOT be getting deported, ever.


In addition to a further roughly one million post war Irish immigrants who whilst despised and mistreated in Britain never had their citizenships revoked, obviously.


So what happened after world war 2 is more accurately described as a state sponsored racially inspired population swap than 'mass migration' as you can see...


To try and stem the flow of non-whte British citizens post war governments tried a number of things including trying to bully the governments of Jamaica and Pakistan into not issuing passports as 'there was no work here' ....


When Jamaican prime minister Norman Manley came to Britain and saw the issue was skin colour and not a lack of jobs he told them fi go suk dem.... bleeep! Lol


they also commissioned a number of reports to try and prove that British Caribbeans were a drain on public resources.. when the reports found they were 95% employed and no more likely to commit crime than any1 else, govt did not publish.


Finally by 1962 they found a climate in which they thought they could pass immigration restriction (they believed the public would not go for it before seeing as we'd all just fought the Nazi's together)


Just in case we are confused that the issue was skin color and nothing else the home secretary from the time Rab Butler has left us a nice helpful quote to sum up the 1962 immigration act:


Mr Butler said that its (62 act) “great merit” was that it could be presented as nondiscriminatory even though in practice “its restrictive effect is intended to, and would in fact, operate on coloured people almost exclusively


Other government ministers noted that the aim 'was obviously to keep out coloured people' (British citizens, remember).


Over the next decade ad a half successive British governments used ostensibly racially neutral immigration acts to remove the entire sense that people from the Commonwealth (other than NZ,AUS,CANADA) had ever been citizens in the first place...


Some of these acts (68 and 71 I believe but check that one) inserted 'grandfather clauses' so that the people whose grandparents had gotten state subsidised migration to SA/Zim/Kenya could keep their British citizenship rights...


This is the history that is allowing people who have paid taxes for half a century, whose parents were citizens, who themselves have even had passports to be sent 'back' to places that are no longer their homes, just so you know..


The British state and popular discourse has been so successful in racialising British citizenship while pretending not to that...


People whose grandparents were literal German and Italian prisoners of war (Atlee subsidised them 2) and got tax funded migration think they can call me an 'immigrant' loool


Even though my mums family been on this island thousands of years and my dads came here as citizens from a country ruled by England since 1655!!! (before the act of union).


Last point: I want you to think about how this population swap has vanished from public discourse overall...


And how the millions of ppl whose grandparents came from Ireland, Italy, Germany, Poland, Latvia etc have been encouraged to see themselves as indigenous 'white British' and not immigrants even though they were (which is fine btw)


And how the millions of ppl whose grandparents were literal British citizens (who paid their own way + contributed as taxpayers to others migration) have been encouraged to see themselves as supposedly foreign 'ethnic minorities'.


I could go on, there are plenty more quotes and a ton of easily available evidence, see the books I mentioned at the start of thread. Safe


Thought I'd add one thing to this thread, even before WW2 there was lots of immigration into Britain. Panayi estimates 2.5 million ppl from 1800-1915, Kushner goes all the way back to late 17th century groups.




 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/17 15:41:47 (permalink)
Akala always coming with the knowledge.

Just wanted to share this:

https://www.facebook.com/notowaruk/videos/1846374295665328

What a cunt. No hesitation


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/17 15:50:19 (permalink)
This gets worse and worse. It turns out in 2010 the Home Office destroyed the Windrush landing cards for those arriving in the UK. 
 
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer
 
All under Theresa May's watch
 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/17 15:52:37 (permalink)
Going to this next month: 
 

Natives: Race and Class in the Ruins of Empire

From the first time he was stopped and searched as a child, to the day he realised his mother was white, to his first encounters with racist teachers – race and class have shaped Akala’s life and outlook. He now takes his own experiences and widens them out to look at the social, historical and political factors that have left us where we are today.
 
 
https://www.stgeorgesbris.../festival-ideas-akala/
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/17 16:13:10 (permalink)
Presumably Attlee will now be persona non grata amongst SJW's who will storm buildings adorned with his name, bismirch his life's work and denounce him as an horrific historical figure in the same way that they have done with Sir Winston Churchill.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/04/17 16:22:54 (permalink)
Oh FFS give it a rest.  He was a bit of a cunt on immigration, he didn't purposely starve millions.
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