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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/08 23:55:17 (permalink)
Local elections are going to brutal
 
Tories lost 4 today. Including 1 to Labour in Kent a solid tory land
SmokedEggs
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 08:31:07 (permalink)
FFS.  Labour have now suspended a Jew for anti-semitism.  Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic, despite what some Zionists might tell you.
 
http://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/labour-party-organisation/jvl-statement-suspension-secretary-glyn-secker-labour-party-antisemitism/
 

A JVL Statement

7th March 2018
In an extraordinary development, JVL Secretary Glyn Secker, longtime Jewish activist, Executive Committee member and Director of Jews for Justice for Palestinians and captain of the Jewish Boat to Gaza in 2009, has been suspended from membership of the Labour Party.
Here are the charges: “Allegations that you may have been involved in a breach of Labour Party rules have been brought to the attention of national officers of the Party. These allegations relate to comments made on social media that may be in (sic) anti Semitic and therefore in breach of Labour Party rules.” They can’t even get the grammar right!
No accuser is known, the charge is appallingly vague, no evidence produced. But so seriously does the Head of Disputes, Sam Mathews, take the matter that Glyn cannot attend any party meeting including Annual Conference (that’s in September, six months away – Mathews clearly doesn’t think this will be resolved in a hurry!). And he has the gall to say: “In view of the urgency to protect the Party’s reputation in the present situation…”
Nothing is doing more to bring the Party into disrepute than the shocking use of unsubstantiated allegations to punish active members of the left without  knowledge of charges, on the merest say-so of those who oppose their political stance, and in defiance of the recommendations of the Chakrabarti Report which was adopted a year-and-a-half ago by the NEC – but on which no action has been taken towards its effective implementation.
This is an absurd, politically-motivated attack on our Secretary and our organisation. We call on our supporters to move motions of censure in their branches and CLPs. To use allegations of antisemitism in this way is an abuse of power, and a degrading of the seriousness of actual antisemitism and other forms of racism. While antisemitism is monstrous – and, like all forms of racism, should be vigorously dealt with – false accusations of antisemitism are monstrous too. We call for the immediate lifting of these charges.
 

Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 09:24:59 (permalink)
See my post about Ruth Smeeth's claims in 2016.  The right of the party have found a working weapon.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 09:35:13 (permalink)
Yeah, there’s nothing to see at all.

Baroness Chakrabarti told us in her groundbreaking whitewash for peerages report.
RUSSELL CLARTY
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 09:41:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Whagwan 2018/03/09 10:24:41
I've yet to see anything that proves to me the Labour party has a problem with anti semitism any more than any other political party of that size. 
 
Cherry pick me an incompetently stupid Naz Shah or some spotty tin foil hatter from Momentum, but that's pretty much it. 


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 10:42:22 (permalink)
Talking of tin foil hats.
 
Whagwan
See my post about Ruth Smeeth's claims in 2016.  The right of the party have found a working weapon.




oh so it's a Jew's fault again is it ?
 
 
 
 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 10:53:29 (permalink)
There is definitely a weird Left/Right anti-semitism/anti-zionism proxy war going on in Labour at the moment
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 10:58:04 (permalink)
DrumBongo
There is definitely a weird Left/Right anti-semitism/anti-zionism proxy war going on in Labour at the moment




 
It's just the most pathetic ammunition to use, and would clearly only work in an organisation like the Labour party where people will start soul searching and angsting about the possibility of colleagues being antisemitic- imagine if you tried to disarm the Tory party with accusations like that, they'd all be too busy dressing up at soirees as SS Officers to give a fuck  


Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 11:03:55 (permalink)
Stoopid_Fux
Talking of tin foil hats.
 
Whagwan
See my post about Ruth Smeeth's claims in 2016.  The right of the party have found a working weapon.




oh so it's a Jew's fault again is it ?
 

 
This was reported on by Jewish Voice for Labour before you accuse me of being an anti-semitic tin foil hat wearer FFS.
http://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/antisemitism/searching-truth-line-abuse-allegations 
 
Are they being anti-semitic like the Jewish Glyn Secker?

We saw in the early stages of JC's leadership the lengths the right of the party would take, with made up homophobic abuse in Wallesey etc.
 

Diane Abbott, who had never previously complained to the media much about her abuse and death threats, received 8,121 abusive tweets over this full 6-month period – almost eight times more than any other female MP. Yet this exceptional number was still well below the 20,000 claimed by Smeeth over a period of just 12 hours.
 
The serious discrepancy between Ruth Smeeth’s allegations, and the findings of these three prospective studies, does raise very important questions for the Labour Party, given the obvious damage caused to its reputation.
With the national media coverage obtained, Smeeth’s repeated criticism of Corbyn, and his supporters, backed up by these on-line abuse allegations, has clearly contributed to tarnishing the image of the Labour Party, its leader and its members. 
 
In one survey on voting intentions (5), one in three people questioned said they would hesitate to vote Labour because of its perceived problem with antisemitism.  So Labour’s electoral chances also seemed to have been damaged by such allegations of antisemitism coming from Smeeth – and a number of others. This despite the fact that the Home Affairs Select Committee, in their report into antisemitism (October 2016), stated that they could find no convincing evidence that antisemitism was more prevalent in the Labour Party than in other political parties.

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Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 11:05:05 (permalink)
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DrumBongo
There is definitely a weird Left/Right anti-semitism/anti-zionism proxy war going on in Labour at the moment




 
It's just the most pathetic ammunition to use, and would clearly only work in an organisation like the Labour party where people will start soul searching and angsting about the possibility of colleagues being antisemitic- imagine if you tried to disarm the Tory party with accusations like that, they'd all be too busy dressing up at soirees as SS Officers to give a fuck  




100% this.
SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 11:16:33 (permalink)
Soul searching? Where?
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 11:28:28 (permalink)
SW14
Soul searching? Where?



LOL a Jew just got the gooner for being "antisemitic". 
 


Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/09 12:03:56 (permalink)
SW14
Yeah, there’s nothing to see at all.

Baroness Chakrabarti told us in her groundbreaking whitewash for peerages report.



Not just Chakrabarti but the Home Affairs Select Commitee report on Anti-Semitism:
 
Despite significant press and public attention on the Labour Party, and a number of revelations regarding inappropriate social media content, there exists no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party.

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SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:22:23 (permalink)
This country, security services and Government needs to get it's head screwed on about the resurgent threat from Putin's Russia and a level of aggression not even seen on this scale at the height of the Cold War (back when the Soviet Union used to have a bit of respect for this country).
 
Yet another Russian dissident found dead in his house under suspicious circumstances today, just a week after they were waving nerve agents around fucking Salisbury. This is a systematic campaign of assassinations/terror and we have been complicit in covering them up so as not to disturb "Russian relations" and the flow of funny money that has piled in to be laundered in the City.
 
Putin is a bully and gets emboldened by weakness. There is a reason it is happening in this country. I'd say it deserves something approaching a military/highest levels of security services response. Magnitsky Act needed as well here, now. That's a tough sanction targeting the oligarch class around Putin and prohibiting money movement and international travel. The act has driven him mad across the world (the one the Trump Jr/Russian intermediary were trying to can in Trump Tower) and has been rolled out across the world. It was started by Bill Browder, who is British, and used to have extensive business interests in Russia until his business partner was executed for exposing corruption there. 
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wiseacre
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:27:05 (permalink)
magnitsky was his former lawyer
 
i think you mean "child adoption" not sanctions m8
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/world/americas/kremlin-adoptions-sanctions-russia.html
 
 
 

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:30:09 (permalink)
Putin will be crying when Southgate and the lads don't go to Russia. 
 
frizzyd
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:32:48 (permalink)
Putin knows he can do what the fuck he likes in the UK at the moment.
 
Our MP's will go on about Russian aggression and how it needs to be stopped but the EU won't support us en-mass for obvious reasons, plus the EU's reliance of Russian energy means they are very cautious about stepping up further sanctions against them. Equally the US won't do fuck all due to the geopolitical situation in the middle east, especially in Syria.
 
Putin has carte blanche to do whatever he likes at the moment.....it is not like a military threat is going to bother him a great deal, have you seen the state of our military hardware Vs. what the Russian have at their disposal these days?
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:33:36 (permalink)
wiseacre
magnitsky was his former lawyer
 
i think you mean "child adoption" not sanctions m8
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/world/americas/kremlin-adoptions-sanctions-russia.html
 
 
 


 
Dezinformatsiya.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:40:14 (permalink)
frizzyd
Putin knows he can do what the fuck he likes in the UK at the moment.
 
Our MP's will go on about Russian aggression and how it needs to be stopped but the EU won't support us en-mass for obvious reasons, plus the EU's reliance of Russian energy means they are very cautious about stepping up further sanctions against them. Equally the US won't do fuck all due to the geopolitical situation in the middle east, especially in Syria.
 
Putin has carte blanche to do whatever he likes at the moment.....it is not like a military threat is going to bother him a great deal, have you seen the state of our military hardware Vs. what the Russian have at their disposal these days?




The EU could start by fucking off that Gulfstream 2 gas pipe that's being ushered through. 
 
Russia, from what I understand, has some fancy gimmicks in it's new arsenal and some "interesting" new weapons that scramble communication etc that it used in Ukraine but the vast majority of it's military is in pieces. 
 
They have only very recently started to significantly outspend the UK and a lot of that is to make up for years of neglect after the Cold War.
 
They are getting the upper hand by being "sneaky fucking Russians" rather than any genuine military might imo. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bertie Bassett
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:41:57 (permalink)
Doesn't most of our gas come from Russia?
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:50:26 (permalink)
user21
Doesn't most of our gas come from Russia?





Doesn't most of their dough come from our gas coming from Russia?

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:51:48 (permalink)
SW14
The EU could start by fucking off that Gulfstream 2 gas pipe that's being ushered through. 
 
Russia, from what I understand, has some fancy gimmicks in it's new arsenal and some "interesting" new weapons that scramble communication etc that it used in Ukraine but the vast majority of it's military is in pieces. 
 
They have only very recently started to significantly outspend the UK and a lot of that is to make up for years of neglect after the Cold War.
 
They are getting the upper hand by being "sneaky fucking Russians" rather than any genuine military might imo. 
 




 

 
Also: https://www.urbandictiona...?term=Sneaky%20Russian
 

when you fuck a girl until she dies then you cover her in vodka and chocolate syrup then light her on fire and throw her off a cliff into a playground

"yo i saw Cathy this weekend, and i gave her a sneaky russian" 

 
 
RAYZA
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:52:33 (permalink)
Why you getting so gassed Vlad
SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 16:58:17 (permalink)
user21
Doesn't most of our gas come from Russia?


No. Most of our gas comes from Britain.

A minority of European gas comes from Russia.

We should be turning the screws economically on them in any way possible. Their crippled economy is hugely reliant on oil and gas revenues.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 17:07:47 (permalink)
SW14
user21
Doesn't most of our gas come from Russia?


No. Most of our gas comes from Britain.

A minority of European gas comes from Russia.

We should be turning the screws economically on them in any way possible. Their crippled economy is hugely reliant on oil and gas revenues.


So Russian gas isn't vitaly important?
SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 17:12:31 (permalink)
Please point me to where I said that?
Postman Pat
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 19:09:24 (permalink)
So what's actually gonna happen once this 'deadline' passes without the Russians saying shit?
 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 19:19:20 (permalink)
Postman Pat
So what's actually gonna happen once this 'deadline' passes without the Russians saying shit?
 

Theresa May will point out that it's bloody well not on and Putin will apologise.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 19:28:27 (permalink)
I think we should wait for the investigation to conclude who was responsible before we do anything too hasty.

There are a lot of parties with an axe to grind against Russia given that they have all but won the war in Syria. It could be that external actors are trying to stir things up.

Have to laugh though at the amount of brexit supporters phoning up LBC etc saying we need to ask Europe to join us in taking action against Russia. Err, hello, Brexit??
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/03/13 19:41:02 (permalink)
Brexit is the single worst choice ever made by anyone ever
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