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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 13:54:26 (permalink)
Jungle Dave
Using whores when you should be rescuing people from earthquakes is clearly bad, but does anyone else find it a bit rich, a bunch of politicians threatening to withhold money from Oxfam because a few people that work for Oxfam are bastards? 
 
Let's withhold the salaries of all MPs the next time some Libdem deviant is caught halfway up a rentboy, yeah? 




This. They should withhold the funds from all of the MoD next time one of their soldiers goes awry.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 14:03:22 (permalink)
SmokedEggs
 
 
It's a coordinated rightwing plot to undermine foreign aid and charities that dare to question the neoliberal status quo.  Oxfam are one of the most prominent charities campaigning against poverty both in the UK and the rest of the world.  The right don't like that.
 
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/02/12/am-i-right-to-defend-oxfam/
 




 
Penny "Let's stop giving aid" Mordaunt is actually referring this matter to the National Crime Agency lol. What a transparent cunt


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 14:17:36 (permalink)
I expect if you were to dig into the comings and goings of every employee of every charitable organisation, or organisation that has contracts from the government, you would uncover an amount of misdemeanor. 
 
I know the construction industry abroad is no shining angel.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 14:26:56 (permalink)
If brassing (I’m assuming no underage kids were involved) was a disqualifier for industry, UK GDP would be eclipsed by Angola in days.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 14:33:19 (permalink)
https://labour.org.uk/issues/animal-welfare-plan/

Labours new animal welfare plan. I like.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 15:13:03 (permalink)
I had forgotten that Theressa May was talking of giving a vote whether to bring back fox hunting just over a year ago. lol. She really has been dumb at times. 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 15:22:51 (permalink)
Thought this was an interesting post by Peter Kyle MP
 

 

 
Peter Kyle MP12 February at 22:58 · 







A Word On Oxfam
I’ve spoken a lot in the media these past few days because there’s a lot I wanted to say about aid and development. Most of you know that I was an aid worker myself for almost a decade, and then completed a doctorate on development at Sussex Univeristy. It’s something a care a lot about.
From my experience the vast majority of frontline aid workers are extraordinarily professional and caring, choosing to put their expertise and experience to use in the most difficult situations. Please, don’t ever forget that.
There’s another side that I saw too though. In some truly extreme situations, such as in sudden refugee crises, humanitarian disasters, or areas of conflict and war, there is chaos, stress, and lawlessness that is really hard to imagine if you’ve not experienced it. Our job as aid workers was to bring stability and security to people who had lost everything, including their human dignity.
A small number of dysfunctional people, who probably could never really survive a steady job back home, seem to thrive amidst the chaos and dysfunction of a disaster. I noticed some of them travelled from one disaster to another and rose quite high in the ranks. They were a nightmare to deal with, unreliable, and made very poor decisions.
I remember a doctor for a well known large charity coming up to the small team I was with, wearing a bloodstained doctors uniform, and said “it’s boring here you’ll hate it. You should get over to Asia that’s where the blood and guts are”.
We were standing in a refugee camp with over a thousand destitute women and children, many with gynaecological problems caused by the rape and abuse they experienced as they fled (rape was used as a weapon during the Balkan war), and very few knew if their husbands and adult male children were alive or dead as they had either been detained or remained to fight.
We stood there stunned at the sight and words of this grotesque man. I would never want someone I loved being seen by him, so why should people who were among the world’s most vulnerable have to turn to him? They deserved the best not this horrid little man.
People like him should never be working with vulnerable people and aid agencies need to get better at weeding them out and getting better suited people in. It’s tough. In this country we struggle to get great maths teachers into challenging schools, so imagine the difficulty of getting brilliant doctors, who might have families and dependents of their own, to go to extremely dangerous and life-threatening places to practice medicine.
There’s another issue I want to mention. The aid industry has become extraordinarily competitive. It has driven some to become territorial and secretive in order to fight off challenges to its work and funding.
A team I was with once took an incredible unit into a refugee camp that could shower 1,000 people twice a week in privacy. Imagine how important that is to life in a camp with no running water. When we arrived a director of a famous charity came running over and said “you can’t have that here, take it away, we are the lead charity in this camp and we won’t have something with your logo on it in case tv crews film here”.
I promise you, this is true. So I explained we didn’t care about logos, we cared about helping people, and suggested he put his organisation’s logos on instead. Out came a satellite phone, a call to head office, and we got the ok to plaster our amazing shower unit with their logos.
I still can’t imagine what would posses someone to stand amidst a refugee camp full of desperate, lonely, and scared people and seek to deny them health and hygiene because of a bloody logo. Things were getting out of hand, some had lost sight of their true humanitarian purpose.
There’s a lot more I could say, but you get the picture. I never became cynical because I saw so many lives transformed and I saw first hand just what can be achieved through sensitive and professional aid work. Because of Britain’s aid and disaster support there are thousands and thousands of people alive and prospering who would otherwise be impoverished or dead, so please don’t become cynical too.
In all my time I never saw or heard rumours about the criminal activity being uncovered today. It disgusts me to hear it though.
Heartbreakingly, sexual exploitation and rape of children can exist in any organisation if we do not proactively protect young people and have proper systems and procedures in place. Jimmy Saville taught us that. So if it happens here where we have a mature civil society and a world class police force, imagine how difficult it is to get this right in a war zone or disaster area.
But just because it’s difficult doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen.
Aid agencies and government must work to change culture to become more open, cooperative, and sharing of best practice. What is tragic about Oxfam’s failure to act is that as well as the tragedy of already vulnerable people becoming victims, predators and corrupt people have escaped justice. And also, keeping it hushed up has denied other organisation the opportunity to learn from the mistakes that led to this happening.
I fear that threats to cut Oxfam’s funding will only exacerbate this. The message to other organisations is ‘if you have this problem and make it public we will cut your funding’, and the people who will suffer most from funding cuts are already damaged communities being supported by the good work being done.
Government much act as a mature partner. We need to know everything and we need to learn from it. In the future I believe the public will forgive organisation who own up to mistakes providing they are open and honest and prove they have learned from it, but they will not forgive cover-ups and hiding the truth.
Aid does work, it really does. Tonight I did a tv debate with a UKIP assembly member who thinks we should stop aid. I simply pointed out that his world view of ‘stop engaging with the world’ is dangerous and costly. If we don’t try to help solve problems where they exist, believe me in time they will land on our own shores and cost us even more.
Thanks in large part to Britain, 8 out of the 15 fastest growing economies in the world are in Africa. Also in Africa, deaths from malaria and communicable diseases are plummeting, as is infant mortality and death from famine and war. Education, life expectancy, and economic prosperity is all rising. Britain hasn’t had to intervene with our military in Africa since Sierra Leone. And the Balkans, where I spent a lot of time, is now unrecognisable to how I remember it as war ravaged and desperate.
I will be pushing as hard as I can for reform of our large aid agencies, but I will defend what they do and the work of all decent aid workers with everything I’ve got. Former aid workers like me, and many hundreds of brilliant ones out there now in the frontline have been bitterly let down. For them and the thousands of desperately vulnerable people who look to us for help, we must get this right. And we will. All the best, Peter
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 15:36:04 (permalink)
Great post.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 16:20:53 (permalink)
Agree with all of it, except they should replace "Jimmy Saville" with "The Catholic church".

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/14 21:08:47 (permalink)
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 13:12:23 (permalink)
LHC
Barwell's been at it again
 
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gavin-barwell-replies-to-hardcore-porn-tweets-a3766351.html




With him as Chief of Staff I'm bemused by how May is still seen so negatively!
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 13:14:26 (permalink)
LHC
Barwell's been at it again
 
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gavin-barwell-replies-to-hardcore-porn-tweets-a3766351.html




 
"Mr. Barwell, who was treated for cancer as a child..." 
 
wtaf? 


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 13:24:14 (permalink)
You mean "why the hell did they treat him?"
 
I bet his wife is popular down at NHS Trust HQ... "yeah my husbands the guy who's helping keep all your salaries pitiful... sorry!"

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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 13:32:49 (permalink)
I just don't understand why the fuck they would bring it up, unless it is as you say to juxtapose the welfare state saving his life with the policies of his morally bankrupt government... but it's the Standard? 
 
Purely seems like a nasty bit of tittle tattle to me, the guy is easy enough to gun why bring his childhood suffering with cancer into it? Are they also subtly implying he has issues because of his cancer treatment as a child? 
 
It's just odd and a bit unecessary


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 14:30:20 (permalink)
46% rise in homelessness in my home town since last year apparently.
 
Fucking looks it too


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 15:07:24 (permalink)
Jungle Dave
I just don't understand why the fuck they would bring it up, unless it is as you say to juxtapose the welfare state saving his life with the policies of his morally bankrupt government... but it's the Standard? 
 
Purely seems like a nasty bit of tittle tattle to me, the guy is easy enough to gun why bring his childhood suffering with cancer into it? Are they also subtly implying he has issues because of his cancer treatment as a child? 
 
It's just odd and a bit unecessary




It's just to make him seem more human/sympathetic imo
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 16:11:21 (permalink)
MalcolmTucker
 
It's just to make him seem more human/sympathetic imo




 
See, the Standard is gunning for May's administration, and I'd assume that they just would spike the story if they wanted to avoid embarrassing Barwell or May. 
 
It's a weird inclusion


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 16:20:39 (permalink)
Jungle Dave
MalcolmTucker
 
It's just to make him seem more human/sympathetic imo




 
See, the Standard is gunning for May's administration, and I'd assume that they just would spike the story if they wanted to avoid embarrassing Barwell or May. 
 
It's a weird inclusion




I thought exactly the same reading that article yesterday. It's completely irrelevant to the rest of the article. It's even irrelevant to the rest of the sentence it's in.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 17:04:53 (permalink)
Isn’t it just an interesting aside?

Don’t read a lot into it myself. It’s a bit of a puff piece. If old spamhead is indeed popular within the party then George will be treading carefully.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 17:15:13 (permalink)
SW14
Isn’t it just an interesting aside?





Childhood cancer... "interesting" isn't the first word that comes to mind
 
 
 


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 17:16:26 (permalink)
Slightly more refined take of this morning’s Sun article.

Makes a pretty valid point about the idiocy of not knowing Warsaw Pact “diplomats” were invariably spies.

http://observer.com/2018/02/new-report-reveals-jeremy-corbyn-was-a-communist-spy-in-1980s/
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 17:19:57 (permalink)
Jungle Dave
SW14
Isn’t it just an interesting aside?





Childhood cancer... "interesting" isn't the first word that comes to mind
 
 
 


I think it’s reasonably interesting.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 17:21:01 (permalink)
Let's say Corbyn fucked up and chatted to a spy. What did he say? Fuck all, by the sounds of things. 
 
Sounds like London was heaving with Eastern bloc spies, I'd be shocked if half the Commons hadn't spoke to someone or other at some stage. 
 
The thought of Corbyn being an actual operative, as that Observer article implies does nothing to boost their credibility


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 17:22:01 (permalink)
SW14
Isn’t it just an interesting aside?

Don’t read a lot into it myself. It’s a bit of a puff piece. If old spamhead is indeed popular within the party then George will be treading carefully.



No I'm not reading anything into it either. I just thought it was a slightly bizarre thing to include in that particular article. 
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 17:23:59 (permalink)
SW14


I think it’s reasonably interesting.



 
Emotive, shocking, grim... interesting? 
 
Oh, go on, if you like
 
 


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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 17:27:35 (permalink)
Jungle Dave
Let's say Corbyn fucked up and chatted to a spy. What did he say? Fuck all, by the sounds of things. 
 
Sounds like London was heaving with Eastern bloc spies, I'd be shocked if half the Commons hadn't spoke to someone or other at some stage. 
 
The thought of Corbyn being an actual operative, as that Observer article implies does nothing to boost their credibility




TBH if I was setting up a genuine source of information to the Soviets I wouldn't meet in the House of Commons, a place in which all entrants are recorded.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/15 17:27:42 (permalink)
Jungle Dave
Let's say Corbyn fucked up and chatted to a spy. What did he say? Fuck all, by the sounds of things. 
 
Sounds like London was heaving with Eastern bloc spies, I'd be shocked if half the Commons hadn't spoke to someone or other at some stage. 
 
The thought of Corbyn being an actual operative, as that Observer article implies does nothing to boost their credibility


That guy is pretty credible on all matters intelligence related. Doesn’t usually write about UK politics but very well informed on US/Russia spy games.
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/19 20:12:24 (permalink)
Ben Bradley MP just deleted a libelous tweet after the threat of legal action from Corbyn...


https://twitter.com/Laura...65678427142545408?s=20
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Re: General Election 2015 2018/02/19 20:31:18 (permalink)
She's a bit of alright isn't she
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