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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:14:00 (permalink)
The person in Pret is more likely to get supplementary benefits, they also have a better chance of living in social housing rather than being fucked over by the private rental market. So many factors. There are many different types of struggle!
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:16:40 (permalink)
friends of mine in london who work in shops or bars have basically no spare cash once they've paid for housing (which tend to be awful box rooms stuck up a tenement) and travel. they can barely afford a beer, never eat out with everyone else, and have essentially tomato pasta every night. pretty shit.
 
p.s. shout out to SW14 for this. couldn't agree more.
What I find offensive are asinine, apathetic people like you without the intellect or conviction to contribute beyond bland negative platitudes.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:22:27 (permalink)
metzie
The person in Pret is more likely to get supplementary benefits, they also have a better chance of living in social housing rather than being fucked over by the private rental market. So many factors. There are many different types of struggle!




Yep, that's how they just survive.  But they are still very, very much worse off than us lot...
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:23:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby metzie 2015/04/02 10:39:35
Whagwan you made a post saying people earning 40k+ were not the squeezed middle they were rolling in it and significantly above the national average.
 
My only point is that the national average is meaningless, and 40k does not make you a rich man in the south east.
 
Bye bye.
 
 
Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:27:09 (permalink)
It doesn't make you rich, but it still puts you 15% above the local average (whether mean or median.)
 
Missed this on the last page but is a pretty decent suggestion:
 
If I were Ed Balls, I'd win over a whole host of people in the circa £40k-60k bracket at a stroke by introducing a 30% rate and only having the 40% kick in once you hit a much higher level - say, the MP's salary of £67k. Offset the loss by reintroducing 50% at £150k, and then having a 60% rate further up the scale...

 
 
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:28:25 (permalink)
well that makes you the squeezed middle then doesn't it lol
 
it's like talking to a brick wall.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:30:11 (permalink)
I think the 40p tax rate should be in the first world problems thread. 
 
I do support an increase in the minimum wage but we've all been there, there are plenty of opportunities for people earning minimum wage to improve their situations.  



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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:30:18 (permalink)
Whagwan
It doesn't make you rich, but it still puts you 15% above the local average (whether mean or median.)
 
Missed this on the last page but is a pretty decent suggestion:
 
If I were Ed Balls, I'd win over a whole host of people in the circa £40k-60k bracket at a stroke by introducing a 30% rate and only having the 40% kick in once you hit a much higher level - say, the MP's salary of £67k. Offset the loss by reintroducing 50% at £150k, and then having a 60% rate further up the scale...

 
 


 
agreed. and that extra cash is going to fuel a recovery far better and more widespread than cutting corporation tax by a single percent.

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Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:31:58 (permalink)
http://www.salarygraph.co.uk/
 
£40k in my constituency (Streatham) still puts you in the top 30%, so better than 70% of the local population.
 
That it not the middle, that is the top 30%
 
Kenny Rogers
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:37:53 (permalink)
Wow I'm apparently above the top 90th percentile in my area and overall. I must tell my mum.

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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:39:20 (permalink)
gutlessrhyme
Wow I'm apparently above the top 90th percentile in my area and overall. I must tell my mum.



Lol me too. Not sure about that site.



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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:43:25 (permalink)
If I go by area I feel like a poor.
 
You can get 50 grand a year pushing a broom offshore.
wiseacre
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:51:44 (permalink)
changing the topic slightly, here's a nice infographic on where government expenditure goes. 
 
http://wheredoesmymoneygo.org/bubbletree-map.html#/~/total
 
43bn on debt & its servicing. 85bn on pensions. education 32bn. great.

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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:52:59 (permalink)
wiseacre
 
agreed. and that extra cash is going to fuel a recovery far better and more widespread than cutting corporation tax by a single percent.




Corporation tax :20%  Britain is open for business
Corporation tax :21% (Still lowest in the G7)  OMG CASTRO HAS TAKEN CONTROL OF BRITAIN.
Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:54:07 (permalink)
We could save so much by restricting pensions and free bus passes etc from the rich pensioners.
 
But then, they vote...
 
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:00:01 (permalink)
Eazyflow
SW14
 
My company hires 30 actors for it's call centre on zero hours contracts so that they have flexibility to shoot/film, go to auditions and earn an income. And they find it a great help to them. 




The problem with ZHCs has always been that the flexibility is a one-way street. Cameron's laughable assertion to Paxman that 'students like them' is wide of the mark - students like flexible working, they like being able to arrange their hours around their studies, but for that kind of flexibility to work it has to be a two-way street, the student has to have some degree of control as well. Friends of mine did jobs which were on ZHCs and it was all one-way, you came in when they had hours and if you didn't it was understood that you might not get more - employers didn't care if they had lectures or seminars at that time.
 
Maybe your company does the rotas properly, which means arranging mutually-convenient shifts, and will swap if there are unforeseen or last-minute reasons why someone couldn't come in, etc. That is how flexible working should operate.
 
Too often ZHCs are an excuse for lazy employers not to do their rotas properly, especially over the last five or six years when there have generally been more people looking for work than vacancies, because in that situation it's a brave employee that rocks the boat too hard.
 
As Miliband said "if it (ZHC) isn't good enough for us, it isn't good enough for you."


It's good enough for over 60 Labour MP's staff and nearly 22,000 Labour council employees to be on them.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:03:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Whagwan 2015/04/02 11:09:18
I don't want to deprive beryl of her £80 quid a week or whatever, but a review of public sector pensions already awarded should happen. e.g. police who've retired before 50 on full pay.
 
i genuinely worry for kids around 20 now; lowest employment prospects for decades, a horrible lopsided economy meaning opportunities are largely limited to the one region that needs them least, what income they will earn will have to support a nation lumbered with debt as well as all the baby boomers approaching old age and ill health, never being able to afford a house, whilst those same boomers (in general) have profited greatly and continue to do so. the increase in disparity seen over the past 2 decades is going to be even more stark in another 20 years.


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Slippery Mick
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:06:03 (permalink)
Yep they hoovered up all the houses their parents bought after the war and then pulled the ladder up behind them. Now they make a massive profit by skelping their own children. Cunts.
Kenny Rogers
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:19:34 (permalink)
Mandatory euthanasia at 60!

Slippery Mick
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:22:03 (permalink)
I don't mind them being alive. 
Kenny Rogers
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:23:44 (permalink)
If you ever run for election, that should be your tag line.

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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:44:03 (permalink)
Whagwan
 
@ Shiverman, do you know if that's mean or median?
 


http://www.cityam.com/206...gher-any-other-part-uk
post edited by darkmatter - 2015/04/02 11:46:02

Shiverman
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:45:00 (permalink)
I don't know tbh, as I said it was a quick google
darkmatter
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:46:19 (permalink)
I updated my post, looks like it's the median

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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 11:57:44 (permalink)
metzie
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Which means people living or working in London earning 40k are indeed the squeezed middle.



This. £40k in London is very average.
 
The actual threshold is £42k before you have to pay the 40% rate. Even then it's only on earnings over that threshold. 




Yep. This. I am in the squeezed middle and feeling it.




Come the fuck off it. 
 
If you've got spare cash to drop on new kicks on the regs, you're not exactly stretched.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 12:00:11 (permalink)
simon.r
Yep they hoovered up all the houses their parents bought after the war and then pulled the ladder up behind them. Now they make a massive profit by skelping their own children. Cunts.


Beautifully put.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 12:03:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ankle 2015/04/02 12:05:42
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metzie
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Which means people living or working in London earning 40k are indeed the squeezed middle.



This. £40k in London is very average.
 
The actual threshold is £42k before you have to pay the 40% rate. Even then it's only on earnings over that threshold. 




Yep. This. I am in the squeezed middle and feeling it.




Come the fuck off it. 
 
If you've got spare cash to drop on new kicks on the regs, you're not exactly stretched.




Is that the definition of middle class nowadays? Being able to buy trainers every few months?! 
Specialized1
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 12:07:53 (permalink)
New trainers + not eating out of a bin = Upper middle. 



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Booberella
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 12:15:05 (permalink)
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metzie
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Which means people living or working in London earning 40k are indeed the squeezed middle.



This. £40k in London is very average.
 
The actual threshold is £42k before you have to pay the 40% rate. Even then it's only on earnings over that threshold. 




Yep. This. I am in the squeezed middle and feeling it.




Come the fuck off it. 
 
If you've got spare cash to drop on new kicks on the regs, you're not exactly stretched.




I thought about doing a trainer disclaimer when I wrote that 
It's not that clear cut my fren. 
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 12:17:59 (permalink)
Shiverman
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metzie
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Snakey
Which means people living or working in London earning 40k are indeed the squeezed middle.



This. £40k in London is very average.
 
The actual threshold is £42k before you have to pay the 40% rate. Even then it's only on earnings over that threshold. 




Yep. This. I am in the squeezed middle and feeling it.




Come the fuck off it. 
 
If you've got spare cash to drop on new kicks on the regs, you're not exactly stretched.




Is that the definition of middle class nowadays? Being able to buy trainers every few months?! 




I don't know how or why you'd arrive at that conclusion.
 
It was quite a specific comment to Metzie, rather than some of kind of generalised measuring stick for middle class disposable incomes.
 
I actually do think that tax should be lower in the middle band, but not because single people with no children earning 40k are "feeling the squeeze". Please.
 
No doubt I will be mocked profusely by people in this bracket, but I couldn't give a shit.
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