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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/01 23:23:01 (permalink)
Depressing reading.

Internet and politics do not mix.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/01 23:30:38 (permalink)
Thanks for your input.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 01:07:28 (permalink)
Kate Swish
Depressing reading.

Internet and politics do not mix.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 01:12:17 (permalink)
Well, fuck off then.

I disagree with a number of posters here but I quite enjoy chewing the fat with the likes of Whagwan and Snakehips or whatever his name is. I don't agree with their opinions but they present contrary and cogent arguments, I have a go back at them.

It's freedom of speech and democracy - enjoy it, cos many people don't.

All clearly labelled.

What I find offensive are asinine, apathetic people like you without the intellect or conviction to contribute beyond bland negative platitudes.
post edited by SW14 - 2015/04/02 03:28:04
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RUSSELL CLARTY
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 01:14:46 (permalink)
Sgt_Rizzle
You shouldn't be aloud to vote 



 
Tell me more Sarge


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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 02:25:46 (permalink)
Top post SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 02:43:29 (permalink)
Nice to see Paxman catching a little wreck, can't really box him with verbals though.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=29&v=lEBERsLEq5U
 
Looking forward to tonight.
post edited by IKOS - 2015/04/02 02:51:30
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Daniel Snakeman
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 05:08:13 (permalink)
I've finally made it - Snakehips or whatever.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 06:28:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wiseacre 2015/04/02 09:09:07
Difficult to pull an argument out of that EDL boy/Tory boy reacharound, but fuck it I'll have a go at addressing some points.
 
Christine Lagarde and the IMF can do one.  Lagarde herself has stated that economically she's with Adam Smith as a free market economist.  The only thing amazing is that the Osborne's cuts were so deep that even the IMF said they were too much.
 
You talk about 1.5million jobs created.  I say again that the majority of these are poorly trained and poorly rewarded, hence the gaping hole in Income Tax receipts that Osborne has filled with borrowing.(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11115235/Black-hole-in-UK-public-finances-widens-in-August.html)  You go on again about people who want to be in ZHC, when nobody has ever denied the rights of those who want them, it's the thousands of people who want full time hours who don't get them that are being talked about.
 
In 2012 the Tories claimed to have created 1million private sector jobs, so that's 2/3rds of the 1.5million you keep banging on about.  At the time it was noted that over 200,000 (so 20%) came from reclassifying further education and sixth form college workers from the public to the private sector. Also this totally ignore the fact that in the same period of time 600,000 public sector jobs were axed.
 
The economic recovery looks more and more like a sham the further you look into it.  You hail Osborne as some kind of hero, and yet nothing has occurred according to his 2010 plan.  He has not met a single deficit and growth target and even his "successes" like the increase in employment were not predicted in his plan.  Osborne has cut, and flukily lucked out (recessions always recover) and is now claiming credit for events that he did not intend or even predict.  Remember when keeping our AAA rating was the most important target for him, then we lost it apparently it wasn't so important after all.  Osborne has borrowed more in the last four years than Labour did in the previous 13, and more debt has been created in the current Government then has been created by every historical Labour Government combined.
 
You talk about the note left by Byrne as Chief Secretary of the Treasury.  It is traditional for outgoing ministers to leave a letter, and this was a joke that backfired when the Tories exploited it to support their media portrayal.  The Tories have left similar notes before:
"The letter recalls a similar note left by Tory Reginald Maudling to his Labour successor James Callaghan in 1964: "Good luck, old cock ... Sorry to leave it in such a mess."
Byrne said the message was meant in jest. "My letter was a joke, from one chief secretary to another," he said. "I do hope David Laws's sense of humour wasn't another casualty of the coalition deal.""
 
And then you start moaning about tax hikes for people earning over 40k.  I'm not far off that, and you know what?  I accept that earning 40k does not put you in the "squeezed middle", it puts you in the top 10% of all earners in the country. 
 
And finally, as far as Iraq goes, the Tories were in full support.  Blair is a cunt but you can't absolve the Tories through that.
 
 
Last of all:  Rizzle, there are grown ups talking, why don't you go outside and play with your guns.
 
 
post edited by Whagwan - 2015/04/02 09:25:39
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:15:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby PapaJaro 2015/05/06 20:31:58
SW14
 
My company hires 30 actors for it's call centre on zero hours contracts so that they have flexibility to shoot/film, go to auditions and earn an income. And they find it a great help to them. 




The problem with ZHCs has always been that the flexibility is a one-way street. Cameron's laughable assertion to Paxman that 'students like them' is wide of the mark - students like flexible working, they like being able to arrange their hours around their studies, but for that kind of flexibility to work it has to be a two-way street, the student has to have some degree of control as well. Friends of mine did jobs which were on ZHCs and it was all one-way, you came in when they had hours and if you didn't it was understood that you might not get more - employers didn't care if they had lectures or seminars at that time.
 
Maybe your company does the rotas properly, which means arranging mutually-convenient shifts, and will swap if there are unforeseen or last-minute reasons why someone couldn't come in, etc. That is how flexible working should operate.
 
Too often ZHCs are an excuse for lazy employers not to do their rotas properly, especially over the last five or six years when there have generally been more people looking for work than vacancies, because in that situation it's a brave employee that rocks the boat too hard.
 
As Miliband said "if it (ZHC) isn't good enough for us, it isn't good enough for you."

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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:22:53 (permalink)
Whagwan
 
 
And then you start moaning about tax hikes for people earning over 40k.  I'm not far off that, and you know what?  I accept that earning 40k does not put you in the "squeezed middle", it puts you in the top 10% of all earners in the country. 




 
This.
 
If you are on 40k, you are not the 'Squeezed middle', you are earning almost twice the national average.
 
There is an argument to be had that the tax bands are not progressive enough though - You have somebody on £44k paying the same rate as someone on over £100k, and from £150k there's no further gradation so you're paying the same rate as someone pocketing genuinely eye-watering, seven-figure type sums.
 
If I were Ed Balls, I'd win over a whole host of people in the circa £40k-60k bracket at a stroke by introducing a 30% rate and only having the 40% kick in once you hit a much higher level - say, the MP's salary of £67k. Offset the loss by reintroducing 50% at £150k, and then having a 60% rate further up the scale...

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Daniel Snakeman
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:25:14 (permalink)
Isn't the point about wages though that they're not related to the cost of living.
 
earning 40k in the south east is not the same as earning it in Scunthorpe.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:36:37 (permalink)
Snakey
I've finally made it - Snakehips or whatever.



You got BURNED
LHC
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:41:55 (permalink)
On average, wages do tend to be higher in places where the cost of living is higher though. There aren't many people earning £40k in Scunthorpe.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:43:26 (permalink)
LHC
On average, wages do tend to be higher in places where the cost of living is higher though. There aren't many people earning £40k in Scunthorpe.




You can be a human paintball tester for £40k in Scunthorpe! 
 
http://www.scunthorpetele...1349-detail/story.html
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:45:37 (permalink)
Daniel Snakeman
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:46:04 (permalink)
LHC
On average, wages do tend to be higher in places where the cost of living is higher though. There aren't many people earning £40k in Scunthorpe.




 
but doesn't that negate this argument about the national average?
 
it's a complete fallacy to say 20k is the "average" wage in the south east.
 
no, i do not have data to back that up.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:49:55 (permalink)
Sorry, I had misunderstood your point. Yes, it probably is a fallacy to say that 20k is the average in the South East. I suspect £40k is still way above the South East average though. 
 
no, i do not have data to back that up (and really ought to get back to work).
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 08:58:56 (permalink)
40k in London is probably just above average, but you couldn't move upto Manchester and command the same...and you wouldn't need to.
 
Good post Whagwan
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 09:12:44 (permalink)
SW14
 opening the doors to mass and predominantly unskilled immigration/imported votes a



 
this always irks me as, unless under certain conditions and you are from a commonwealth country, you cannot vote in UK general elections without jumping through all manner of hoops or gaining citizenship at considerable expense and time.

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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 09:18:28 (permalink)
Well, can't check London as a whole but average wage in Lambeth is about £31k, which ties in with public sector London weightings of about £4k given the national average is £27k.  So £40k is still significantly higher than the average...
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 09:30:28 (permalink)
Quick google tells me average earnings in London are £35,238 according to the ONS. So that's not really significantly higher. 
Daniel Snakeman
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 09:43:00 (permalink)
Which means people living or working in London earning 40k are indeed the squeezed middle.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 09:48:52 (permalink)
Snakey
Which means people living or working in London earning 40k are indeed the squeezed middle.



This. £40k in London is very average.
 
The actual threshold is £42k before you have to pay the 40% rate. Even then it's only on earnings over that threshold. 



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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 09:56:41 (permalink)
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Snakey
Which means people living or working in London earning 40k are indeed the squeezed middle.



This. £40k in London is very average.
 
The actual threshold is £42k before you have to pay the 40% rate. Even then it's only on earnings over that threshold. 




Yep. This. I am in the squeezed middle and feeling it.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:01:18 (permalink)
don't forget the whopping 12% NI contributions that get phased out once you hit the higher rate. and student fucking loan payments. I'm already effectively paying 40% on most of the income above 30k or so.
 
then there's childcare vouchers, season tickets, etc. I have far less disposable cash than ever.
post edited by wiseacre - 2015/04/02 10:06:54

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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:02:49 (permalink)
Cry me a fucking river. 
 
I'm in this group and I'm usually skint, but I'm not pretending I've got life hard when the person working in Pret is doing this on less than £7/hr
 
@ Shiverman, do you know if that's mean or median?  Can you link your source?  Not casting aspersions, just genuinely interested in the data.
 
Also saying £40k is not significantly higher than £35k is not really true, it's 15% higher which is quite significant.
post edited by Whagwan - 2015/04/02 10:06:59
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:03:35 (permalink)
I genuinely don't know how shop workers manage to survive in London.
Daniel Snakeman
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:09:41 (permalink)
Those people are not the middle, they're the bottom.
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Re: General Election 2015 2015/04/02 10:11:07 (permalink)
Snakey
Those people are not the middle, they're the bottom.




Who said they were?
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