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Goodone
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 07:17:23 (permalink)
I was asked to justify why stop the war is pro Islamist and anti west I'm saying there have been acts of aggression against fellow European allies which don't get mentioned in the noble but misguided calls for 'Stop the war '
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wiseacre
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 07:44:09 (permalink)
Go on...

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Cherno Samba
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 07:50:37 (permalink)
Goodone
I was asked to justify why stop the war is pro Islamist and anti west I'm saying there have been acts of aggression against fellow European allies which don't get mentioned in the noble but misguided calls for 'Stop the war '


I asked you to name a policy you disagreed with and why. All you came back with was "does he even have any policies?" and then you banging on about his relationships with terrorists.

Can you highlight a policy of his you disagree with and explain why?

Your trying to argue a case against Corbyn in a discussion where most people are left leaning, what you are putting forward is recycled arguments from the Sun and the Mail that we have heard before and have refuted.

SW14 at least argues from a point of relative knowledge on the subject and is able to put a coherent agreement together.

Labour have announced ten or so policies in the last 2 weeks, you are trying to argue that his policies are outdated and not thought out but you can't even name one.

You just come across as misinformed and spouting the same old shit that right wing rags spew

So can you point to a policy of his you disagree with and why?
Shiverman
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 07:56:17 (permalink)
Still waiting Goodone
Daniel Snakeman
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:01:19 (permalink)
i'm a labour party member and even I can do that lol
Simply Egg
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:03:32 (permalink)
Goodone
I was asked to justify why stop the war is pro Islamist and anti west I'm saying there have been acts of aggression against fellow European allies which don't get mentioned in the noble but misguided calls for 'Stop the war '

 
Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of the illegal invasion of iraq which was sold on a pack of lies.
 
And you are more concerned with attacking the people that were campaigning against the war?
 
Can you see how someone might infer from that that you are a little dim in the face?
Goodone
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:07:45 (permalink)
Lol left leaning ur practically a bunch of commies... :p

I have set out how i fundamentally disagree with him.. which incidentally i can't see being refuted anywhere... sufficiently anyway

If you want my latest analysis it will have to be at weekend some of us have jobs to do :p

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Cherno Samba
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:20:46 (permalink)
You said his policies were outdated but then you can't even name one.

It makes you sound thick as fuck if you start arguing a case against his policies but can't even name one.

You're a fucking idiot. I get the impression you're going to be a turkey voting for xmas
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:22:36 (permalink)
DrumBongo
So can you point to a policy of his you disagree with and why?


Goodone
Nope soz it wasn't anything I heard him say today

SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:23:18 (permalink)
SmokedEggs
Goodone
I was asked to justify why stop the war is pro Islamist and anti west I'm saying there have been acts of aggression against fellow European allies which don't get mentioned in the noble but misguided calls for 'Stop the war '

 
Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of the illegal invasion of iraq which was sold on a pack of lies.
 
And you are more concerned with attacking the people that were campaigning against the war?
 
Can you see how someone might infer from that that you are a little dim in the face?


Where has he suggested the Iraq war was a good thing?

It's possible to be both anti the Iraq war AND note that Stop the War has a very patchy and Western centric approach to pacifism with some very strange opinions (bomb Israel, ISIS modern day brigada.)
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:23:36 (permalink)
Shiverman
Still waiting Goodone




Shouldnt you be arguing with Daz I Kue over something shiv?
 
Hows you anyway old chap - still abroad?
Geordie007
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:23:32 (permalink)
Shiverman
Still waiting Goodone




Shouldnt you be arguing with Daz I Kue over something shiv?
 
Hows you anyway old chap - still abroad?
LHC
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:23:54 (permalink)
He even agrees with the one policy he actually knows about.
SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:25:25 (permalink)
Snakey
i'm a labour party member and even I can do that lol


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SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 08:25:23 (permalink)
Snakey
i'm a labour party member and even I can do that lol


Go ahead?
RUSSELL CLARTY
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 10:16:16 (permalink)
darkmatter
 
 
Chuka Umunna getting asked 'what is a soft brexit?' on TV... literally can't answer. Surely you should at least foresee the question and be able to sidestep more effectively?




 
I watched that last night. Bit of a mess all round, from Big Narstie to Chukka to that wittering bag lady Widdecome. Gina Miller had a dodgy start but ended up rinsing Andrew Neil I thought.
 
She has a career in proper politics if she wants it, see also "Women that you shouldn't but..." thread too.


Daniel Snakeman
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 10:29:17 (permalink)
SW14
Snakey
i'm a labour party member and even I can do that lol


Go ahead?



Whilst philosophically I'm opposed to Trident I understand the point of it and why its renewal is prudent.
Daniel Snakeman
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 10:29:09 (permalink)
Forum aids.
SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 10:30:30 (permalink)
I thought they'd agreed to keep Trident?
Daniel Snakeman
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 10:35:27 (permalink)
Ok then, I was pretty dismayed at the 3 line whip over the article 50 vote.
darkmatter
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 10:42:41 (permalink)
Jungle Dave
darkmatter
 
 
Chuka Umunna getting asked 'what is a soft brexit?' on TV... literally can't answer. Surely you should at least foresee the question and be able to sidestep more effectively?




 
I watched that last night. Bit of a mess all round, from Big Narstie to Chukka to that wittering bag lady Widdecome. Gina Miller had a dodgy start but ended up rinsing Andrew Neil I thought.
 
She has a career in proper politics if she wants it, see also "Women that you shouldn't but..." thread too.


Really? She looks fuckin crispy man. Like a well loved leather bag.

Simply Egg
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 11:06:00 (permalink)
darkmatter
Jungle Dave
darkmatter
 
 
Chuka Umunna getting asked 'what is a soft brexit?' on TV... literally can't answer. Surely you should at least foresee the question and be able to sidestep more effectively?




 
I watched that last night. Bit of a mess all round, from Big Narstie to Chukka to that wittering bag lady Widdecome. Gina Miller had a dodgy start but ended up rinsing Andrew Neil I thought.
 
She has a career in proper politics if she wants it, see also "Women that you shouldn't but..." thread too.


Really? She looks fuckin crispy man. Like a well loved leather bag.



yeah I would probably have a go on her brexit hole
post edited by Dan the Daggerman from Dagenham - 2017/04/21 11:07:26
RUSSELL CLARTY
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 11:13:15 (permalink)
darkmatter


Really? She looks fuckin crispy man. Like a well loved leather bag.



 
Hence the "but you shouldn't". 
 
I bet she's toit loik a toiga for an old bird
 
LOL @ Brexithole
 
EDIT : She's a decade older than me. FFS


Goodone
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 11:43:26 (permalink)
Lol if I thought it would shut her up for a bit id happily shove my cock in her
SW14
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 12:39:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Duderonomy 2017/04/21 12:44:16
The NHS has 56 billion set aside to deal with compensation claims. 
 
What do you think of legislating that you can't sue the NHS for negligence as a condition of using it in order to free that money up for the NHS itself?
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 12:50:07 (permalink)
SW14
The NHS has 56 billion set aside to deal with compensation claims. 
 
What do you think of legislating that you can't sue the NHS for negligence as a condition of using it in order to free that money up for the NHS itself?




Where's the accountability there?
darkmatter
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 12:54:15 (permalink)
I'm strongly against the idea personally.
 
The ability to be held accountable for errors is what keeps trusts honest.
 
It is one of two main mechanisms, either:
- the trust can lose the contract to another bidder, who can offer better outcomes, or better outcomes for less money, or,
- the trust pay out compensation where they have made mistakes
 
Much like the railway situation, the former is not surefire due to the pseudo-monopoly situation. A trust could simply massage the stats and state that an error was not an error, but a false service user claim. The process shortfall that led to the error in the first place would remain unfixed, and the failing service provider would continue to be the service provider. Poor managers would stay in post.
 
I've managed a couple of CQC inspections and re-written a trust's complaints process so hopefully not entirely uninformed.

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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 12:55:07 (permalink)
SW14
Stop the War are an odd bunch who certainly have cosied up with Islamists and have had some questionable speakers at their events.
 
They recently praised the "internationalism and solidarity" of ISIS and likened it to the "international brigades" fighting Franco in Spain. They noted that the "solidarity of international jihad is with oppressed Muslims rather than the working class or the socialist revolution". 
 
Also nowhere to be seen when Putin was raining bombs down on Aleppo. America fired a few rockets on an empty airfield and they were up in arms. They also protested against intervention when the Yazhidis were stuck up Sinjar mountain facing genocide.
 
They also posted an article on their Stop the War website entitled "why it's time to go to war with Israel".




This is the sort of thing that troubles me. The Matt Carr piece on ISIS was clearly written in response to Benn's attempts to ustify an expansion of bombing in Syria through comparrison with the fight against the international brigades fighting against Franco in Spain. It wasn't praising ISIS. The author wrote about this here:
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matt-carr/stop-the-war_b_8781102.html
 
Also, it wasn't a position piece from Stop the War, but an article from one author which was then removed from their website when it seemed that some people were misinterpreting it.
 
The 'war with Israel' piece was also just an article from one writer, talking about a 'legitimacy war' like the campaign against apartheid in South Africa. I can't be bothered to read this article tbh, and maybe there's lots in it that I'd disagree with, but complaining about the headline in isolation seems like a cheap move to me.
Simply Egg
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 12:59:31 (permalink)
SW14
The NHS has 56 billion set aside to deal with compensation claims. 
 
What do you think of legislating that you can't sue the NHS for negligence as a condition of using it in order to free that money up for the NHS itself?


DrumBongo
SW14
The NHS has 56 billion set aside to deal with compensation claims. 
 
What do you think of legislating that you can't sue the NHS for negligence as a condition of using it in order to free that money up for the NHS itself?




Where's the accountability there?



Well not only am I strongly against the idea, I also don't think it's legally feasible.  You can't simply sign your rights away like that.  Negligence is negligence...
 
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Re: General Election 2015 2017/04/21 13:14:01 (permalink)
SmokedEggs
DrumBongo
SW14
The NHS has 56 billion set aside to deal with compensation claims. 
 
What do you think of legislating that you can't sue the NHS for negligence as a condition of using it in order to free that money up for the NHS itself?




Where's the accountability there?



Well not only am I strongly against the idea, I also don't think it's legally feasible.  You can't simply sign your rights away like that.  Negligence is negligence...
 


UK medicine is rediculous for how little accountability there is anyway. The system is routinely run for the benefit of those with power within the system, rather than patients. When this ends up fucking up peoples lives, what should they do no compensation is being made even harder to get? A life fighting with the DWP in order to get £70/week once they've shown they're now unable to work? Hard to think that these are the people currently getting too much money. Would be better to cap pay/pensions for those at the top of the system - or make it easier to strip individuals of their rewards when it has been revealed they profited from quackery/incompetence.
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