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Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 10/8/2012 11:03:28 PM
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Did anyone see this absolute cunt on newsnight?
Biggest cunt I've ever seen any sort of debating program.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 10/8/2012 11:06:12 PM
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He's a professional troll. Don't bite.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 10/8/2012 11:06:36 PM
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Just watched it, fucking glorious.
''Was that you Peter'' killed it
Brand going on silly.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 10/8/2012 11:08:58 PM
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He can't seriously believe what he says?
'I dont believe you're a real person' LOL
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 10/8/2012 11:09:32 PM
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Top prick.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 10/8/2012 11:36:05 PM
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Not as good looking as his brother imo.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 2:22:43 AM
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its always funny when you have some derk who speaks for all the pricks
well done derk
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 9:10:42 AM
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Widesize
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He's a professional troll. Don't bite.
Hitchens really wants prisons to resemble Gulags. I think anybody who has been to a prison knows they are already sufficently dark places, not in an OZ bum raping gang warfare sense but on a crushing psychological level. The people I know who have been sent to prison all say they would never want to go back but I doubt that will prevent them from comitting any further crime.
Russell Brand is a such a massive sigh though, "all you're saying is that all crime is caused by law" was a par.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 1:13:24 PM
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Just watched it, fucking glorious.
''Was that you Peter'' killed it
Brand going on silly.
HA! that was ridiculous. glad I switched it on.
Hitchisn just didn't get it. Was a shame Brand couldn't communicate is point.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 1:27:38 PM
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unfortunately the majority of middle class/middle aged+ England shares his opinions, not usually that militant though.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 1:40:43 PM
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unfortunately the majority of middle class/middle aged+ England shares his opinions, not usually that militant though.
That's what the Mail etc want you to think. It's not the case imo.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 1:58:02 PM
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unfortunately the majority of middle class/middle aged+ England shares his opinions, not usually that militant though.
That's what the Mail etc want you to think. It's not the case imo.
i will rephrase that then. the only ones in middle class/middle aged+ willing to take part in the debate are the ones that share this type of view. The rest either don't give a shit until it affects them or shy away from more radical points of view to do with dealing with drug problems in order to not stand out or seen as a "druggy" themselves.
It's seen as "acceptable" to have the view of all drug addicts are criminals rather than one that calls for decriminalisation of users, better treatments and education of the young that is open an honest rather than a bible like damnation.
This is only going on my own experience I've discussed drug policy with quite a few in this demographic and almost all agree criminality is the only way to stop/deter people and future generations from taking them which is incredibly wrong and has been proven over the past however many decades to not work.
I'd really rather not have to agree with Russell Brand but I have to on this one, even if his drug damaged brain couldn't quite manage to get the words supporting his argument out.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 2:10:53 PM
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unfortunately the majority of middle class/middle aged+ England shares his opinions, not usually that militant though.
That's what the Mail etc want you to think. It's not the case imo.
i will rephrase that then. the only ones in middle class/middle aged+ willing to take part in the debate are the ones that share this type of view. The rest either don't give a shit until it affects them or shy away from more radical points of view to do with dealing with drug problems in order to not stand out or seen as a "druggy" themselves.
It's seen as "acceptable" to have the view of all drug addicts are criminals rather than one that calls for decriminalisation of users, better treatments and education of the young that is open an honest rather than a bible like damnation.
This is only going on my own experience I've discussed drug policy with quite a few in this demographic and almost all agree criminality is the only way to stop/deter people and future generations from taking them which is incredibly wrong and has been proven over the past however many decades to not work.
I'd really rather not have to agree with Russell Brand but I have to on this one, even if his drug damaged brain couldn't quite manage to get the words supporting his argument out.
Yeah I agree. I think the majority of people when they get to that age tend to mellow out and just want a quiet life, it's generally the aggy self righteous right leaning busy bodies who make the most noise.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 2:15:09 PM
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I thought Peter Hitchens was way better than Russell Brand. I didn't agree with him, but I agree with most of his criticism of the way in which the debate was handled.
Also... I heard Peter Hitchens utterly destroy an atheist scientist in a debate. I think religious faith is pretty ridiculous, but was still able to enjoy Hitchen's ability to take apart a scientist who seemed to have no idea how to construct an argument.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 3:32:36 PM
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I don't really care how long ago he said it. He looks over the age of 16. For me it was a good example of how hypocritical religious liberals are. Those cowardly C of E ministers annoy me the most. They love to pretend that they are all for the common man, unbiased, impartial and oh so meek and mild. But really deep down, underneath layers and layers of suppressed venom, they despise anyone who isn't in their 'church'.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 3:54:18 PM
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Also... I heard Peter Hitchens utterly destroy an atheist scientist in a debate. I think religious faith is pretty ridiculous, but was still able to enjoy Hitchen's ability to take apart a scientist who seemed to have no idea how to construct an argument.
doesn't really prove anything though. he could probably beat lots of people in a debate but it doesn't make him right.
this got me wondering if there has ever been an epic sibling debate between peter and christopher and i just found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmnVQLOd9Lg&list=PL0B544B24A26EB702&index=1&feature=plpp_video
< Message edited by danlej2 -- 11/8/2012 3:55:48 PM >
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 3:57:35 PM
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I don't really care how long ago he said it. He looks over the age of 16. For me it was a good example of how hypocritical religious liberals are.
Yeah agreed, but weighing what he himself admits were "Ill informed" comments from years ago against the large swathes of articles he writes denouncing extremism and promoting moderate ideals, for me kinda renders those original comments rather insignificant. Hassan himself gives a fairly robust and fair reaction to the criticism he received here: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/dissident-voice/2009/07/islamic-extremists-muslim
Plus I don't think it's any surprise that a scumbag like Hitchins who works for a scumbag newspaper like the Daily Mail would use selective quoting and 'facts' to drag the names of the prominant opposing moderate voices such as Hassan's through the mud. I don't think Hitchin's can be trusted to give any kind of fair and unbiased opinion on anyone or anything without twisting things round to suit his paper's fucked up agenda.
< Message edited by Eazyflow -- 11/8/2012 3:58:43 PM >
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 6:11:28 PM
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I don't think i'll ever consider those 'comments' insignificant. Every journalist will make mistakes/say what they actually think from time to time but no matter how much Hasan wants to dress it up that was passionately delivered vitriol. I don't particularly like Peter Hitchens but he is one of the most entertaining journalists out there, I only came across this video of Hasan after reading his blog. I can't really take Hasan's left wing thought seriously anymore, which is probably down to the fact that i'm 2 stupid 2wo.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 6:56:12 PM
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He's a professional troll. Don't bite.
Hitchens really wants prisons to resemble Gulags. I think anybody who has been to a prison knows they are already sufficently dark places, not in an OZ bum raping gang warfare sense but on a crushing psychological level. The people I know who have been sent to prison all say they would never want to go back but I doubt that will prevent them from comitting any further crime.
Russell Brand is a such a massive sigh though, "all you're saying is that all crime is caused by law" was a par.
Not really
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 7:11:57 PM
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Both people I know who have been inside said it was the psychological trip of being stuck more than anything else that made the whole experience shit. I honestly thought they would have talked about it casually as though it was nothing but it fucked them both up and it comes across very quickly when you talk to them about it.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 7:12:27 PM
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5 min interview with him on the BBC front page today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19211869
Also, I think this is from the interview where he took apart an atheist scientist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tNfYvgVLS8
I quite like Hitchen's approach to argument, and the fact that he's unconcerned about seeming likeable, but I think his pragmatic adoption of Christianity affects all of his other beliefs. It's as if he looked at the world, and decided that he would not like it if there was no God, so chose to act as if there is one. That's not a position I could respect.
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 7:19:39 PM
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Both Brand and Hitchens come across like spengs in this. Brand is well intentioned but i wish he'd shut up
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 7:49:28 PM
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It's boring, nothing more.
I thought brand came across ok, but then again I do think he's hillarious
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RE: Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail - 11/8/2012 8:10:58 PM
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I like him but he's on a bit of a crusade and he could have made some serious points but preferred to wind up Hitchens.
It would have been better if he and Hitch had shut up and let the other two guys talk.
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