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RE: Anti-depressants - 30/6/2012 8:11:39 PM
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PapaJaro
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Unless its some sort of actual medically diagnosed neurophysionlogical issue then I can't see any good in filling yourself with pills.
+1. The one person I know who went onto anti-depressants wasn't really depressed so I'm wary of the whole thing. Obviously anti-natal depression etc is different.
How the hell can anyone take pills for a year though? Was that a guy that said that?
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RE: Anti-depressants - 30/6/2012 9:02:07 PM
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Ethik
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Was on 40mg of Citalopram for four months. Ended up reverting me to my old behaviour at the end of four months (ie: nee good)
Been on Fluoxetine 90mg (Prozac) for two months now. It's helpful. I'm getting shit done, hardly any negativity (been a fucking long time waiting!), started running again, got a new job, getting up early, gardening.
It's making me feel like I'm getting close to who I'm meant to be and I'm certainly not feeling foggy. My thoughts and ideas are still as mental as ever, but I am able to hold on to the important ones instead of the fucked up ones I'd cling too.
Take your pellets around eight or ten o'clock at night so you can sleep through any side effects.
As someone said, 5htp is a good shout, but depending on what you are like as a person and what condition your on meds for they simply might just not work.
I tried them with oil of evening primrose (wimminz only) and felt good for a couple of months until my body tolerated it, then effects became void. Also don't take it with medication as you'll get 'seratonin syndrome'.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 30/6/2012 9:20:41 PM
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topbuzz
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Ever tried Fluoxetine AudioDemon? Member of the Prozac group though have met people who've done better on these than others. Or at least done better than smoking weed, snorting coke, taking E's, phet etc etc etc
So maybe they'll be worth a shot. Just don't take ready advice from drug users who'll happily glamourise drugs over AD's.
Fluoxetine is Prozac, it's just the generic name. Took it for about 2 months and it did nothing, then switched to escitalopram (cipralex) which worked quite well. Gave me some breathing space for a few months to get my head round it and work out how to deal with it (CBT), then reduced dosages for a period of about 3 months to come off it. Got weird brain zaps every few hours or so for about a month during this time. Nothing too bad, but not exactly pleasant.
Never looked back.
Didn't have depression, was something else. Exercise, meditation and learning about the brain/illness did it for me. Read a book called The Mind and the Brain. Good shit.
great post
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 12:05:14 PM
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MellowHype
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are you depressed or have you got anxeity problems? docs tried telling me i was depressed before and i argued i wasnt and its just anxeity. now im on beta blockers and never felt better!
anxeity can make you depressed and visa versa
This!
I suffer from anxiety and at times in the past it has got me down, but was adamant to the docs I wasn't depressed. Was so close to getting on SSRIs but decided not to. CBT helped loads, I couldn't recommend it enough. Diazepam on prescription just incase things get too bad
Suprised how this thread has turned out tbh
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 12:32:23 PM
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Miss SD
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are you depressed or have you got anxeity problems? docs tried telling me i was depressed before and i argued i wasnt and its just anxeity. now im on beta blockers and never felt better!
anxeity can make you depressed and visa versa
This!
I suffer from anxiety and at times in the past it has got me down, but was adamant to the docs I wasn't depressed. Was so close to getting on SSRIs but decided not to. CBT helped loads, I couldn't recommend it enough. Diazepam on prescription just incase things get too bad
Suprised how this thread has turned out tbh
Pretty much same situation for me. I have suffered from anxiety for about 13 years . It is really difficult to deal with and actually quite hard to explain to people who have not experienced it. It's not just the actual times you have anxiety attacks but the rest of the time too, it affects your whole life cos you're always very worried about the next time it will happen.
For me, I have not had it continuously for all that time but instead I have bouts of it now and again that last o few months.
I have had counselling before and been on. Beta blockers and anti depressants and none of them helped.
This time I wanted to learn how to control it. So I got some diazepam from the doctor in the short term while I seeked help. Those tablets are v strong and make you forget things so didn't want to take many of them.
Luckily I get private health care at work so I am having cbt. I have only had 5 sessions so far and I can't tell you what a difference it's making already. I didn't think it would to be honest. He talks about things like mindfulness, being nice to yourself and thinking about the present rather than dwelling on the past and worrying about the future which I tend to do during episodes.
I don't know how much he would be to see privately.
In terms of anti depressants I was on citalopram for about 3 years and when I came off them didn't feel any withdrawal symptoms. Must have been a low dose or something I think 20 mg or similar.
Also it really helPs to understand what happens to your body during an anxiety attack to help you realise it's normal and you're not going to die. That has helped me loads.
< Message edited by Miss SD -- 1/7/2012 12:50:30 PM >
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 12:47:00 PM
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Izzz
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Was on 400mg of Quetiapine daily before. Was not fun nor helped in any positive way just made me a zombie. Now just use it as of when my mood level reaches to depths unrecoverable by normal means.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 1:37:54 PM
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Widesize
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I took Citalopram once. I felt like this for about two weeks.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 1:45:15 PM
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paravoid
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Found Citalopram helps for sleep.
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Ever tried Fluoxetine AudioDemon? Member of the Prozac group though have met people who've done better on these than others. Or at least done better than smoking weed, snorting coke, taking E's, phet etc etc etc
So maybe they'll be worth a shot. Just don't take ready advice from drug users who'll happily glamourise drugs over AD's.
Fluoxetine is Prozac, it's just the generic name. Took it for about 2 months and it did nothing, then switched to escitalopram (cipralex) which worked quite well. Gave me some breathing space for a few months to get my head round it and work out how to deal with it (CBT), then reduced dosages for a period of about 3 months to come off it. Got weird brain zaps every few hours or so for about a month during this time. Nothing too bad, but not exactly pleasant.
Fair enough, but depends on the dose. Obviously cognitive therapy's far more beneficial than tablets.
< Message edited by paravoid -- 1/7/2012 1:46:17 PM >
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 1:58:28 PM
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MellowHype
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It's all about breaking the thought process, so knowledge about it all is power and being able to off load it onto someone who has no preconceptions of you does help. Being anxious about anxiety is such a vicious cycle and will eventually lead to depression.
I hate anxiety but I do love a Valium
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 7:01:14 PM
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Rudeboysy
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It's all about breaking the thought process
this is the most important thing for the whole process.
with depression and related diseases, including anxiety afaik, your brain is just misfiring. there's nothing really wrong with you, but you need to teach your brain to ignore things that 'healthy people' don't even bat an eyelid too.
you've got no control over what thought that lands in your head, only what you do with that thought once it's there. if your brain misfires you'll focus on the negative thought and it'll never go away, whereas normal people will just be think "wtf was that? ah well, off to play football".
distraction is a very helpful tool imo. get an all consuming hobby. one of the reasons i love photography so much is that i just completely lost in it and nothing is going through my mind apart from thinking about the photo. same thing with football.
seeeeeeeeerious thread!
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 7:18:38 PM
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Razor
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cheer up lads, it might never happen
a smile costs nothing
smile, it's not that bad
you have a face like thunder you miserable gits
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 7:26:27 PM
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Izzz
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you have a face like thunder you miserable gits
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 9:03:38 PM
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Hakka
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Been on 30mg of Mirtazapine for the last 6 months. At first you feel like a robot, like your just taking a ride in a body. It seems like everything is on automatic and you are disconnected from reality. Saying that i feel so much better now, even stopped smoking weed which im sure was contributing towards my shitty feelings.
I missed a couple of days and forgot to get my prescription on a Friday. Went all weekend without tabs and i felt fuckin horrid. Need to get off them soon, not something i would like to be on for a long period of time. I have a very addictive personality and the doctor tried to give me valium to help me sleep etc. Didnt bother as i read on here they are real addictive.
Im not sure if its the tablets that has helped me think clearer or just placebo. I do feel alot sharper these days so either way something has worked.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 9:22:03 PM
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jim_skreech
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Ever tried Fluoxetine AudioDemon? Member of the Prozac group though have met people who've done better on these than others. Or at least done better than smoking weed, snorting coke, taking E's, phet etc etc etc
So maybe they'll be worth a shot. Just don't take ready advice from drug users who'll happily glamourise drugs over AD's.
Fluoxetine is Prozac, it's just the generic name. Took it for about 2 months and it did nothing, then switched to escitalopram (cipralex) which worked quite well. Gave me some breathing space for a few months to get my head round it and work out how to deal with it (CBT), then reduced dosages for a period of about 3 months to come off it. Got weird brain zaps every few hours or so for about a month during this time. Nothing too bad, but not exactly pleasant.
Never looked back.
Didn't have depression, was something else. Exercise, meditation and learning about the brain/illness did it for me. Read a book called The Mind and the Brain. Good shit.
I'm started a second course of Fluoxetine 2 weeks ago and it's helping me pretty well, I can feel the black cloud lifting off me, and by my own admission, I'm a far nicer person to be around at the moment. I started on them 12 years ago after falling into a serious black hole, and used fluoxetine, then venlafaxine and then various others up until about 5 years ago, when my life was managable enough that I feel I didn't need them any more. Then life got more difficult in the last 2 years so started fluoxtine again, and I'll say they've been really good for me. The only side effects I've really had is that I get drunk even quicker than I usually do and the hangovers are far worse, and if I go away for a weekend and forget my pills I start getting nausea and unjustified suicidal feelings.
Depression can be caused by a variety of things though, and it's always worth seeing a psychologist to determine if depression has been caused by a chemical imbalance or if there are underlying issues which need to be resolved. I got to a point where I was on a pretty high dosage but still depressed - I was recommended by my mother (who used to work in medecine) to get cognitive therapy, which helped a huge deal - much ongoing depression is caused by personal perception to your environment ie finding the world hostile because you naturally expect it to be that way.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 9:45:39 PM
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Jme133
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Cant believe how many people here are on anti-depressants. 
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 10:20:30 PM
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PapaJaro
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I'm less sceptical about the whole thing having read this. I'm assuming that without this medication each of you would not have been able to get out of bed and function properly? I always put it down to an americanised willingness to medicate for normal behaviour but perhaps not.
What effect would a weeks worth of sleep and a nice beach holiday have had on you instead of pills?
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 10:28:58 PM
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Ethik
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Weeks worth of sleep and nice holiday would have been nice, but only increased happiness for a limited time, if at all.
Your head would still go around and around in a mental blitz, and you'd still be paravoid about the whole thing. (no offence, been there myself)
All just depends if you've got a bad mental condition or not. Most people can really get out of depression with slow encouragement, excersize and eating healthily - seen many people do it, doesn't work with skitzos sadly. Different thought patterns.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 10:29:52 PM
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Capitol P..
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Funny this thread should pop up, went to the doctors last week and he prescribed me some Citalopram, 10mg a day. I am not taking them, hear bad things about trying to get off them and just can't be arsed to go through that shit.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 10:33:02 PM
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moonwalker
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Anti depressants can get fucked imo for anxiety,fuck that shit,drink less-excercise more,stay positive.If i get tortured with anxiety i just make sure i have feel good music close to hand and i also take betablockers or watever they are called b2b remember that life could be worse,all else fails worth going through a bit cbt to help you out.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 10:37:20 PM
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Majik
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Anti depressants can get fucked imo for anxiety,fuck that shit,drink less-excercise more,stay positive.If i get tortured with anxiety i just make sure i have feel good music close to hand and i also take betablockers or watever they are called b2b remember that life could be worse,all else fails worth going through a bit cbt to help you out.
A very simplistic view that would be pertinent in a utopian society where all people were the same.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 10:39:10 PM
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ChunkyMunky
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At what point do you decide you're depressed, and not having mood swings? Anybody suffer with bipolar?
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 10:48:20 PM
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Ethik
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Just for the record, it takes ages on the NHS to get CBT (depending where you are I suppose), due to flakes using it because their shoes don't match their handbag.
Basically, when you're thoughts and actions get out of control and you can't function around people properly - whether you crack up in public or in private on an almost daily basis - then you know you're a bit fucked.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 10:51:54 PM
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moonwalker
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Just for the record, it takes ages on the NHS to get CBT (depending where you are I suppose), due to flakes using it because their shoes don't match their handbag.
Basically, when you're thoughts and actions get out of control and you can't function around people properly - whether you crack up in public or in private on an almost daily basis - then you know you're a bit fucked.
Very true,pretty shocking,i paid for mine in the end which wasnt easy but prefered that to having fuck loads of meds thrown at me
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 11:03:50 PM
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RunUp
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Cant believe how many people here are on anti-depressants.
Not surprising really, seeing as this forum is full of (ex) ravers
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Funny this thread should pop up, went to the doctors last week and he prescribed me some Citalopram, 10mg a day. I am not taking them, hear bad things about trying to get off them and just can't be arsed to go through that shit.
May I ask why he prescribed 10mg of Citalopram?
Pm if you want to.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 11:08:58 PM
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PapaJaro
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You should try the Real Rock riddim first see if that works before you try Citalopram..
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 11:13:01 PM
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Jungle Dave
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Some good posts here...
You will KNOW if you have to take medication. Normal living becomes interminable.
When the mind is sufficiently traumatised by an event, the clarity and attention required for mindfulness or CBT is just not there. Intrusive patterns of thinking can only be impacted upon with the addition of medication.
On the other side, you will know when it's time to jack the tablets in. It does little for the soul.
And yes, taper that shit off.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 11:14:38 PM
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RunUp
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You should try the Real Rock riddim first see if that works before you try Citalopram..
unda wata.
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RE: Anti-depressants - 1/7/2012 11:32:37 PM
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Overlay
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Big respect to anyone willing to be honest on here. I really can't be arsed to go into my mental health history.
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