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[NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 4:32:11 PM
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Mr Cunt
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I just bought Ableton Suite 8 (upgrade from Live 8).
Anyone got anything wavy to say about the matter?
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 4:35:08 PM
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_binar_
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Live 8 marks a push into the world of on-line musical collaboration and sharing of work and ideas. On-line collaboration isn’t new, of course, and neither is uploading and downloading of music and data files, but this is the first attempt by a music software company to integrate on-line sharing directly into a production package. A Live Set can be made public, or shared with selected users.
All file sharing takes place via Ableton’s servers (in fact, the files are stored in Amazon’s S3 server cloud) rather than being peer-to-peer, so collaborators need to set up on-line accounts with Ableton. The release notes talk about “intelligent” file transfer — only changed files are transmitted each time, which is obviously good news when working with large projects containing a lot of audio material — but the sharing scheme is really a variation on traditional uploading and downloading, rather than something smart enough to synchronise projects between multiple users (a process that is notoriously difficult to get right). Uploading is initiated in Live, which launches a web browser pointing at the Set’s web page when the upload is done. Downloading is initiated from a web page containing a special ‘ableton:’ URL which transfers control to Live to do the actual downloading. At the moment the sharing service is free, but Ableton have not ruled out charging for it in future.
Each upload of a Live Set results in a new copy, as does each download, so collaborators are responsible for keeping track of the versions of Sets they transfer. Downloaded Sets are stored in a temporary directory, so you are also responsible for saving the project somewhere permanent. In practice, I found that Live tried to be rather too clever about locating audio files from Sets that had been through a few upload/download cycles, so the default action of collecting and saving all referenced files into the current project seems a wise approach.
Since there is no guarantee that all collaborators will have the same selection of MIDI sound sources and effects — hardware or software — Live offers the option of freezing any tracks that use internal or external instruments prior to upload. When a set is downloaded, tracks can be unfrozen if the recipient has the appropriate software instruments, or else left frozen until the track is back in the hands of its original creator.
The sharing process within Live is neatly integrated — a dedicated file-browser pane shows the progress of file transfers — but the web experience is, at the time of writing, a little primitive. A user’s Live Sets are listed in order but there is no exact note of the time of the upload, which is awkward when the same Set can be uploaded several times under the same name. An uploaded Set cannot be renamed or, for that matter, deleted, and the on-line experience is rather impoverished compared to other audio sharing services such as Soundcloud. However, it’s early days yet — according to Ableton, the service is still in beta — so I would expect it to improve over the coming months.
One wrinkle I discovered is that Live refuses to upload audio files in Sound Designer II format, such as those created by MOTU’s AudioDesk — probably because such files have a Macintosh-specific internal resource format. Since Live does not provide any means to convert files between different formats, Live Sets containing such files cannot be shared.
It might also be worth perusing the small print of the licences of any sample libraries that you’re using, since uploading and making available Live Sets containing copyrighted samples probably violates numerous bits of licence agreement.
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 4:36:41 PM
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Mr Cunt
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Long tingz.
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 4:38:33 PM
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_binar_
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I was going to paste the whole review, but there are plenty out there.
Have fun with it, get your local urchins onto the Rap Map by using it and so on.
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 4:43:06 PM
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Mr Cunt
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I'm on some next level waveform business right now, I will turn into Jesus and turn water into more water still.
All of you shall feel my cock tapping against your collective cheeks as you sleep.
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 4:46:45 PM
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binaryhavoc
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I has the same
Is the best daw I've ever used.....much prefer it to Cubase / Sonar that I have used previously
On board fx are quite good too....I find EQ8, compressor, Utility, Saturator etc all very useable
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 4:50:05 PM
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Mr Cunt
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Yeah I'm really starting to dig it, hence the upgrade.....
I can run waaaayyyyy more stuff than I can run in PT on my laptop and it's not stupid like Loonngic.
Plus I can make the GUI pink (no homo).
Sequencing still feels odd though...
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 5:21:43 PM
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Specialist Sound
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Yeah I use it on teh lappy (live). Lovely bit. May get an ableton controller for fun and games.
Very good for layering ideas. And for mix sets.
What's suit like?
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 6:33:26 PM
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Mr Cunt
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The main thing for me so far is the fully integrated sampler, I'm a sucker for lack of pop up windows. I doubt it'll have much effect on the live stuff I'm doing as of yet but we'll see, lots of new things to play with.
Going in with Max MSP payday, any of you use it?
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 11/4/2012 6:48:51 PM
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binaryhavoc
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no
I have resisted as I have nowhere near enough time to devote to learning how to use
looks heet though
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 12/4/2012 10:58:54 AM
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Specialist Sound
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malware in chrome is preventing window from opening. cannot click on linky 
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 12/4/2012 11:04:15 AM
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Mr Cunt
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Hmm...
Try http://modsquare.com/ and then go down a bit and follow the link for Ableton live.
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RE: [NO HOMO] No homo. - 12/4/2012 3:09:15 PM
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Mod X
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Mr Cunt
The main thing for me so far is the fully integrated sampler, I'm a sucker for lack of pop up windows. I doubt it'll have much effect on the live stuff I'm doing as of yet but we'll see, lots of new things to play with.
Going in with Max MSP payday, any of you use it?
I've built a couple of things in Max/MSP. It's like solving puzzles but where you don't win anything.
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