Ah but it can be learnt, i mean you don't know you've got talent till you try, fair enough a lot of people never will, some will already have a good musical knowledge so become good producers easier and others will work very hard and get good. I can play trumpet, all be it not very well, that's my musical experience Sure there are just naturals but I imagine they will be earning proper money doing some other type music.
I see what you're getting at Ceejay but don't entirely agree. Sampling reeses and breaks wasn't particularly technical but the ideas were fresh (at the time) but the technicality of what they were doing wasn't necessarily pushing boundaries. There's plenty music that's technically well produced but is dull lifeless shit, it's lacking the idea in the first place, doesn't matter how well you execute a process if the end result is shite.
But seriously I've been took out of context with the word musical. Musical for me = read music, play instrument properly, write your own music(on paper) etc. Technical = make phat tune on laptop using vsts, know processing, eq, tuning etc. Freak = play 2 pianos.
He's not just playing two pianos though, he's changing the timing to cause phasing between the two pianos, what he's doing is ridiculously technical and achieves acoustically a phenomena which, for the most part people just think comes from a Waves crack.
The point being is that for nearly every effect that johnny thinks he's donning it creating in Cubase, some cunt like Reich, Schaeffer, Stockhausen or Norgard has done years ago and done it acoustically.
I just drunkenly typed 'piano' into windows search thinking i had some good stuff saved and the first thing that came up was THE ASSEMBLY WORKER - LIGYROPHOPIA
I like Reich, everything I've seen of his is layers and layers of instruments, mad evolving riffs with different time signatures on top of eachother creating sexy time. when did he write all that stuff cunt?
Morning! I was pretty pissed when i kicked this off last night. Sorry for my lack of ellaboration but mr c has pretty much conveyed what i would have said.
I am didn't realise i came across as a constant moaner ikos :-( the reason i come here is not to put people down or call them shit. I posted here years ago when i knew very little about music production and obviously got flamed for my shit attempts at dnb. I loved playing dnb as a dj and for me the logical thing was to try and make some, much like the majority here. It was shit though at first. The thing is i was determined to write music, not sample music and put a beat on it so i set about teaching myself music theory and audio engineering. I did study at SAE for a year too which was a good grounding but i have also read a shit load of books, white papers and researched subjects myself.
All of this education made a huge improvement on any music that i wrote and dramatically increased workflow. Now i spend a lot of time working with composers (some of who are bafta winners) and producers that would laugh out the door if i came out with a load of bollocks.
I decided to start posting here again because i wanted to help people understand that educating yourself is paramount in being successful. Yea, there are some exceptions but the vast majority of us can't expect to get lucky everytime.
Look at somr of my older posts, i spent a lot of time explaining things such as nyquist theory, distortion, dithering, floating point and fixed point audio streams, and more... But a lot of users here come back and disagree or say things like "don't need to know that to make phat beats" so now if i see a question that can be answered with a small amount of education i do point out that it's easy if you know how. This is not everyone here so i'm not pointing fingers hut those who want to be arrogant amd just expect everyone to answer their questions without even attempting to read a book are going to get shitty comments from me.
That can take a wrong turn aswell. Look at squarepusher, he has basically dissappeared up his own poo, making terribly schollared lifeless dinner time jazz. He should've brought some more spazz for his journey.
I just drunkenly typed 'piano' into windows search thinking i had some good stuff saved and the first thing that came up was THE ASSEMBLY WORKER - LIGYROPHOPIA
Im not saying that i dont like any other genre just find it hard to listen to anything else, thinking that the music i want to learn how produce should be what i listen to to give me a good foundation and understanding but ive seen the error in my ways an when trying to be different an think of ideas im getting nothing.
i no im not the only one that has done this an will not be the last .............. but im big enough to admit my faults on this forum which im sure half of you two bob cunts gobbing off behind your monitors will never have the balls to do.
an i think in dnb there needs to be more dj's then producers because you always here the same shit all the time.
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