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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 14:13:47 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: STIMPY

It seemed some of the people hating on Levy the most thought that jungle actually belonged to them and they were going to control it for their whole careers.


Too true
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 14:16:48 (permalink)
I've always had a soft spot for this tune, had it on a pop compilation tape back when I was 11 or something. Cheesy, rinsed to death, but still puts a smile on my face


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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 15:05:15 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: djlobes

I've always had a soft spot for this tune, had it on a pop compilation tape back when I was 11 or something. Cheesy, rinsed to death, but still puts a smile on my face


Same here. It was one of the first jungle tunes I heard (or at least paid proper attention to). Rodigan used to do the afternoon show on Kiss during the week and he'd play that (but his dubplate special that he's taken to dropping again in recent years) and stuff like the remix of Buju Banton 'Champion'.
I was already a fan of Levy and as Incredible is basically a jungle mix of 'Mad Them' it was already familiar
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 15:09:31 (permalink)
was this not something that was discussed in that old dnb/jungle documentary,a london something dis...dull and boring argument imo and not even worth talking about.Agree with stimpy btw about the controlling the scene thing
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 15:13:23 (permalink)

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Yeah, all seems like such a mountain out of a molehill now.

I really felt sorry for M Beat during that palaver. Up until then he was one of the greatest jungle producers with a string of monster tunes, but the fact that he was so closely tied to Levy meant that his name ended up being dragged through the mud too, which pretty much ended his time in the scene.

Sucked that this happened to him, he was such a wicked producer. It's a real shame that he only really gets remembered for Incredible when the rest of the stuff he made was miles better. It is crap that the whole thing seemed to put a stop to his musical output, however the Jamiroquai tune he did was big!


ORIGINAL: FixBeat

would have been amazing if the first tune after the rant was 'incredible'



That would have smashed it



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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 15:15:59 (permalink)
I am not so sure this incident stopped m-beat. He'd been making tunes since like 91 or maybe even earlier. He continued to make tunes after this, although mostly semed to be chasing more commercial success. Much like any dnb act nowadays that has a big commercial hit. Plus the change from jungle to dnb anyway. I think maybe m-beats career had just run its course.
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 15:26:39 (permalink)
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Did people actually boycott them though, think that's a bit of myth


Who knows?

I can't remember many DJ's playing any of Mbeat's records after that incident, wheras before you would hear sets littered with tunes like 'Style' and 'Rumble'.

Maybe the stories have been somewhat embelished. I even remember rumours that there was a so-called junglist 'committee' made up of top DJ's and producers who boycotted Mbeat's tunes and threatened and intimated anyone who chose to defy the boycott, legend has it that Dj Rap was one of the few to stand up against this committee and continue to play Mbeat's tunes

EDIT: Syhr beat me to it...


This "committee" apparently also decided that because of all the violence in the jungle scene at the time, they all decided to concentrate on making dnb tunes rather than the ragga influenced jungle.

Not too sure how true this is though
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 15:28:51 (permalink)
I think the kool fm lot got pissed at general levy and I think the committee against jungle were anti much of the kool fm lot.

I think they were two different incidents and different groups with different agendas completely.
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 15:47:24 (permalink)
From what I can remember from speaking at the time to different man's (went to school with rage, m-beat and knew a few others, navi, ron etc) after this incident and subsequent fallout / split into jungle dark and drum and bass the "committee" as such decided to just do their own thing, who ever sold out was out as such.

Note: my memory is not as good as it used to be so disclaimer business !!
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 15:53:43 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Gripper Stebson

I remember just after this General Levy was meant to be doing a P.A. of 'Incredible' at Voodoo Magic. Five-O was on the flyer as well. Never heard of anything happening so maybe Levy pulled out.

Although 'Incredible' sounds cheesy now that tune used to tear up the rave every time it got played when it first came out. Tunes never really used to get rewound much before 94 and that one stands out as one of the first that used to get multiple rewinds.


Fair enough, but I remember when it came out it didn't really sound rough enough to be 'Jungle'. It just sounded too commercial and gimmicky (Levy's chants for example), not like the other jungle that was around at that time....
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 15:57:46 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: STIMPY

I think maybe m-beats career had just run its course.

This is definitely possible!



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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 16:27:44 (permalink)
Can someone ID the tune on the youtube clip please.




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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 16:31:28 (permalink)
The "underground remix" of Incredible was one of the tunes that first got me interested in jungle, still sounds good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck4EWaILpl0
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 16:57:14 (permalink)
Yeah the amen mix of incredible is my favourite too.

I think them remixes came out after all this hullabaloo and don't remember them getting played at all.
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 17:18:07 (permalink)
I feel Levy was singled out and made a scapegoat for the way jungle was going at the time.  The media had jumped onto jungle, but couldn't find an identifiable star to make a jungle figurehead, and then came along Shy FX and UK Apache and M Beat and General Levy together, Levy getting the most attention in the press. 
Ragga jungle at the time of Incredible was an increasingly popular style, and this is what the press latched onto, insisting that jungle was solely a black, ragga, ghetto, bad bwoy style, and beginning to draw the wrong sort of element into the scene - commerciality, cash-ins, as well as an aggressive vibe at raves.  This was not pleasing the leading DJs of the scene, and it seemed that by lashing out at Levy, they were really just lashing out at their dislike of jungle's direction. 
Of course a few months later, Goldie released Inner City Life, he made brilliant records, gave a good interview, was photogenic, looked every part the junglist and Levy was quickly forgotten, ragga jungle soon followed.  I'd seen more recent interviews with Levy and although he's still a successful performer (let's not forget he released a couple of LPs before Incredible) he does appear to have been a genuine fan of the music and disappointed by his exoneration out of the scene.  I find it funny how the same people who'd cuss the press's misrepresentation of jungle would take The Face's interview with Levy (which caused the big stink in the first place) as nothing but the whole truth.
Whether the actions of 'the committee' worked in their favour, or people's tastes just changed, can be debated.  I just wish there'd been some similar sort of quality control for dnb in 2003, or dubstep in 2008 - the music becoming more popular is of no benefit when 90% of the music is shit which attracts twats by the busload.
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 17:29:13 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: jim_skreech

  I just wish there'd been some similar sort of quality control for dnb in 2003, or dubstep in 2008 - the music becoming more popular is of no benefit when 90% of the music is shit which attracts twats by the busload.


This gets me too. Bit of hypocrisy about it.
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 17:57:57 (permalink)

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what was it all about?


Levy stole his jacket.


 What set was this? And his Mic bag or something!?


From this apparently

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EPXU54FX

Look forward to hearing it


Mate, do you reckon you could do a YouTube rip of the jacket rant like you did for the Levy one?

It needs to have its own place on YouTube.
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 19:38:28 (permalink)
Didn't like the tune when it came out and hate it now. I was living in London and going to plenty of raves at the time and don't really remember it being much of an issue. The main thing was alot of people hated the commercialism that they have previously seen with the hardcore scene and was worried that Jungle would go the same way. If you were there from day one, like alot of the Kool FM crew were then you felt that Jungle belonged to you, so to speak and didnt want to see it watered down.

The story seems to have gained more notoriety as the years have passed.
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 19:54:42 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: ChampagneAnarchist

Mate, do you reckon you could do a YouTube rip of the jacket rant like you did for the Levy one?

It needs to have its own place on YouTube.


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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 20:05:23 (permalink)
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 20:11:38 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: suddendef

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWGeuMD0I04

Bring back M-Beat 
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 20:18:24 (permalink)
the other mix on the other side is better. but yeah, m beat was a don. There was a thread not that long ago with pretty much every decent m beat tune in it.
post edited by STIMPY - 2011/07/20 20:29:27
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 20:54:44 (permalink)


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH_tf-S-Tg8&feature=related
Bring back M-Beat 





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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 21:00:51 (permalink)
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ORIGINAL: jim_skreech

I just wish there'd been some similar sort of quality control for dnb in 2003, or dubstep in 2008 - the music becoming more popular is of no benefit when 90% of the music is shit which attracts twats by the busload.


This gets me too. Bit of hypocrisy about it.


Funny thing is, even though I agreed with the jungle committee exercising some quality control back in '94, I hated it when the garage DJs tried the same campaign against DJ Dee Kline/Oxide & Neutrino/So Solid.  That campaign was little more than a couple of old blokes griping because they weren't as hip or relevant as they were 12 months earlier, it was embarassing.
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RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2011/07/20 21:10:25 (permalink)
maybe they were worried that someone would nick their jackets.
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Re: RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2018/08/11 08:17:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby PapaJaro 2018/08/11 13:46:51
Does anyone still have that recording of the jacket bit? I need to hear it again.
 
And I know my own jacket, seen!
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Re: RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2018/08/11 10:13:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby w1003 2018/08/11 16:39:23
People are getting mixed up stories.
5ive-0 had his jacket stolen and made a famous rant about it but it wasn’t Levy who took it lol

5ive-0 and them (basically Kool FM main guys) were all hating on Levy cos he apparently said he invented jungle and all this mc’ing shit. He was on top of the tops and doing PA’s everywhere making a bag whilst they were all putting in work for years, putting up aerials and stuff, I think they felt he hadn’t paid his dues.

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Re: RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2018/08/11 14:44:13 (permalink)
What ever 5ive-0 says is truth
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Re: RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2018/08/11 14:49:24 (permalink)
Fuck Levy and fuck Apachi can't stand the dick heads
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Re: RE: 5ive-0 General Levy rant 2018/08/11 17:54:31 (permalink)
Rein9T2
Fuck Levy and fuck Apachi can't stand the dick heads


Lol Why tho?


And MBeat was a sick jungle producer, he nailed the ragga and dance music crossover.
Shame he caught heat for really just making good, popular music :(

This riddim here tho
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