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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/03 14:43:15 (permalink)
Travs

But the big one is a 102 mile/39000ft race around Snowdonia in May. 50 hour time limit. If I can keep going I've got the ability to make it round in 40 hours, but it's a big step up from anything I've done. Every time I've gone up a level I've got through it, but this really could be the one to stop me in my tracks.




lol missed this. That is insane. How does it work? Do you carry all your food with you? Do you shit while running?
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/03 14:55:10 (permalink)
What long term injuries have you given yourself Travs? Stress fractures, knee stuff?
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/03 15:10:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Syzlack_24 2017/12/06 09:17:24
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Travs

But the big one is a 102 mile/39000ft race around Snowdonia in May. 50 hour time limit. If I can keep going I've got the ability to make it round in 40 hours, but it's a big step up from anything I've done. Every time I've gone up a level I've got through it, but this really could be the one to stop me in my tracks.



lol missed this. That is insane. How does it work? Do you carry all your food with you? Do you shit while running?


Well it starts 5pm on a Friday so I'll have had a full nights sleep (unlike my last long race which started at 4am). So I imagine I'll run through the first night and next day. I don't think I'll finish until the Sunday morning so I imagine I'll need an hour or two sleep at some point, but if I'm at the front end of the race and I'm not suffering/hallucinating, I might just try and power through.

There are aid stations in the various valleys we drop into, so don't need to carry all my food, but I'll certainly chuck in a few pork pies and high calorie stuff to see me round. As for shitting, hopefully the aid stations will come at a convenient time, but I'll definitely have an 'emergency bog roll' in my bag (there's a post on this thread, or possibly the feels thread, probably June of this year, describing a particularly grim shitting episode from a previous race).

Really is a case of just keeping going. In my last long one I set off at the back of the field of 110, and watched half the field retire, and made up a load of places during the second half and finished 28th. This one is a lot longer and unknown territory for me mentally and physically, so will see what happens.

Jonny Quest I've never yet had anything major injury-wise. Tend to get less repetitive type injuries, knees etc, than road runners, as using different muscles all the time on the mountains. But when things go wrong they do tend to be more serious... Severe Doms from all the downhills, but I'm a bit more immune to it now. Some spectacular cramps. After my last real long race it was about 4 weeks before I could properly run without pain, but I guess that's to be expected. But I'm pretty well conditioned now... I expect it would just about kill a novice runner or bog-standard road runner. Mentally it's very tough as well. After my last biggie I was sleeping 10 hours a night for the next week, and still nodding off at lunchtime most days.
post edited by Travs - 2017/12/03 15:14:14
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/03 15:36:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fiend. 2017/12/06 11:23:53
Fair play Travs you genuinely sound like an alien to me
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 08:37:08 (permalink)
Xrays and MRI last week confirms symptomatic degenerative acromio clavicular joint. Had a steroid injection yesterday if that doesn't resolve, keyhole surgery 


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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 09:29:48 (permalink)
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Xrays and MRI last week confirms symptomatic degenerative acromio clavicular joint. Had a steroid injection yesterday if that doesn't resolve, keyhole surgery 




 
That's rough. Although that diagnosis sounds harsh, most people over 40 have degenerative shoulder joints- and not all of them have pain. Most don't- see what you can do to rebalance what has caused the issue. 
 
First hit on google. https://www.arthritis-health.com/types/osteoarthritis/acromioclavicular-osteoarthritis-causes
 
The prevalence of symptomatic acromioclavicular osteoarthritis increases with age. In fact, almost everyone develops this type of arthritis by age 40 or 50, even if they do not have painful symptoms.2 This is because, over time, the shoulder joints experience wear and tear—cartilage thins and becomes less flexible. The degeneration of the joints that is characteristic of osteoarthritis is why the condition is also called “degenerative joint disease.”
 
I would have said try and avoid the steroid injection too if possible but that bird has flown. You should get some immediate relief from that at least. 


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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 09:41:55 (permalink)
Gym injuries and bass arena.
 
Last week I was doing deadlifts and I felt this weird feeling in the left of my lower abdomen. Not painful as such, just a bit weird, almost like pressure or something pushing out. I immediately got prang and thought start of a hernia. 
 
I felt it to the point it was fairly uncomfortable (without being painful) over the next few days, but it seems to have died down now. Planning to get back in the gym on Friday and take it easy.
 
Potential hernia or something else? I did get quite prangy about it. Hopefully I'm being a pussy about it and it;s fine. It just didn't feel like any muscle strain i've ever had though.
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 09:53:23 (permalink)
Sounds exactly like the sort of thought pattern and conclusion I'd have if that was me! 
 
Did you prod about with the area and find any protrusion? If not you are probably fine. The NHS seems to be OK about people walking around with half their gut sticking out of their abdomen anyway


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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 09:53:27 (permalink)
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 09:57:49 (permalink)
Nah I couldnt find anything obvious. Dont know if it's coincidence but ive been pretty bloated ever since too. Not being in your 20s anymore eh.
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 09:57:52 (permalink)
I’ve got a pain in my left shoulder along to the tricep area. Been killing for a while so I rested for a few months. But the past few weeks of going gym has bought it up again. Fucking annoying because a lot of the 5x5 movements rely on it
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 10:05:17 (permalink)
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Nah I couldnt find anything obvious. Dont know if it's coincidence but ive been pretty bloated ever since too. Not being in your 20s anymore eh.




I'd settle for late thirties mate! Even 40 sounds nice now. 
 
 


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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 10:10:26 (permalink)
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I’ve got a pain in my left shoulder along to the tricep area. Been killing for a while so I rested for a few months. But the past few weeks of going gym has bought it up again. Fucking annoying because a lot of the 5x5 movements rely on it



 
5X5 is a lot of reps. I dropped my squats to 3 sets of 5 as I was getting inflammation, although it was most likely form as much as anything. 
 
Are you doing the dips as an assisted exercise? They can be bad news


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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 10:15:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fiend. 2017/12/06 11:24:11
Travs
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Travs

But the big one is a 102 mile/39000ft race around Snowdonia in May. 50 hour time limit. If I can keep going I've got the ability to make it round in 40 hours, but it's a big step up from anything I've done. Every time I've gone up a level I've got through it, but this really could be the one to stop me in my tracks.



lol missed this. That is insane. How does it work? Do you carry all your food with you? Do you shit while running?


Well it starts 5pm on a Friday so I'll have had a full nights sleep (unlike my last long race which started at 4am). So I imagine I'll run through the first night and next day. I don't think I'll finish until the Sunday morning so I imagine I'll need an hour or two sleep at some point, but if I'm at the front end of the race and I'm not suffering/hallucinating, I might just try and power through.

There are aid stations in the various valleys we drop into, so don't need to carry all my food, but I'll certainly chuck in a few pork pies and high calorie stuff to see me round. As for shitting, hopefully the aid stations will come at a convenient time, but I'll definitely have an 'emergency bog roll' in my bag (there's a post on this thread, or possibly the feels thread, probably June of this year, describing a particularly grim shitting episode from a previous race).

Really is a case of just keeping going. In my last long one I set off at the back of the field of 110, and watched half the field retire, and made up a load of places during the second half and finished 28th. This one is a lot longer and unknown territory for me mentally and physically, so will see what happens.

Jonny Quest I've never yet had anything major injury-wise. Tend to get less repetitive type injuries, knees etc, than road runners, as using different muscles all the time on the mountains. But when things go wrong they do tend to be more serious... Severe Doms from all the downhills, but I'm a bit more immune to it now. Some spectacular cramps. After my last real long race it was about 4 weeks before I could properly run without pain, but I guess that's to be expected. But I'm pretty well conditioned now... I expect it would just about kill a novice runner or bog-standard road runner. Mentally it's very tough as well. After my last biggie I was sleeping 10 hours a night for the next week, and still nodding off at lunchtime most days.


The ramblings of a psychopathic madman. Fuck that lol
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 10:18:01 (permalink)
I really don't know how Travs does it. Immune to injury or something. 
 
Maybe kryptonite might shake him up


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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 11:07:54 (permalink)
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I’ve got a pain in my left shoulder along to the tricep area. Been killing for a while so I rested for a few months. But the past few weeks of going gym has bought it up again. Fucking annoying because a lot of the 5x5 movements rely on it



 
5X5 is a lot of reps. I dropped my squats to 3 sets of 5 as I was getting inflammation, although it was most likely form as much as anything. 
 
Are you doing the dips as an assisted exercise? They can be bad news


To be honest I do think it was the dips that did it as I can’t seem to do them anymore without it flaring up

Hmm. Only just back on 5x5 after a while off so maybe i’ll drop to 3x5 when the weights get heavier
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 11:24:04 (permalink)
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To be honest I do think it was the dips that did it as I can’t seem to do them anymore without it flaring up

Hmm. Only just back on 5x5 after a while off so maybe i’ll drop to 3x5 when the weights get heavier



 
Yeah, I used to do dips when I was a yute and they were nasty. 
 
Pull ups are nang though, superb assist. Doing them every session instead of alternating them with dips.
 
My push is better than my pull anyway 


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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 11:31:21 (permalink)
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Travs


But the big one is a 102 mile/39000ft race around Snowdonia in May. 50 hour time limit. I
 
I imagine I'll need an hour or two sleep at some point, but if I'm at the front end of the race and I'm not suffering/hallucinating, I might just try and power through.

 a particularly grim shitting episode from a previous race
 
lot longer and unknown territory for me mentally and physically, so will see what happens.

Severe Doms from all the downhills, but I'm a bit more immune to it now. Some spectacular cramps. After my last real long race it was about 4 weeks before I could properly run without pain, but I guess that's to be expected. 


The ramblings of a psychopathic madman. Fuck that lol



 
Fucking LOL  I have a couple of friends who are ultra-runners, and I think exactly the same (psychotic madwomen in their case).
 
I mashed the side of my leg falling off climbing and swinging into the rock face a few weeks ago. No breaks or knee damage but a lot of bruising swelling and pretty pureed muscles. The gym has been a god-send as I can't climb, can't run, can't do strenuous walking. A bit limited with the leg (can only do 20-30kg leg press on that leg) but I can still deadlift 110kg (maybe more, am taking it real tentatively) due to the smaller ROM deadlifting, and managed to do a recent PB of 18 pull-ups the other night. Happy, given the circumstances.

...is this what you want???
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 11:38:08 (permalink)
Went to doctor, podiatrist and physio about my knee as it's at the point now where even walking down stairs is hurting. Got patellofemoral pain syndrome, and possibly a meniscus tear. Physio has me doing leg extension just holding it, and leg press for about 10 degrees, barely even bending my leg. Both of which with no weight at all. Obviously I have to clutch my knee and exaggerate my limp so people know I'm nursing an injury and not a complete fass
 
On another note, part privatisation of healthcare is actually pretty good! Saw a doctor last sunday, by the following sunday I'd had an xray, ultrasound, physio and podiatrist session, all free (tho I have to claim the xray fee back)
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 12:02:56 (permalink)
dimdum
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I’ve got a pain in my left shoulder along to the tricep area. Been killing for a while so I rested for a few months. But the past few weeks of going gym has bought it up again. Fucking annoying because a lot of the 5x5 movements rely on it



 
5X5 is a lot of reps. I dropped my squats to 3 sets of 5 as I was getting inflammation, although it was most likely form as much as anything. 
 
Are you doing the dips as an assisted exercise? They can be bad news


To be honest I do think it was the dips that did it as I can’t seem to do them anymore without it flaring up

Hmm. Only just back on 5x5 after a while off so maybe i’ll drop to 3x5 when the weights get heavier

Really watch your form on dips. 
 
If your shoulder is rolled too far forward it's unprotected and can cause rotator problems.
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 12:20:53 (permalink)
After racing Saturday I then had a tough Fell Race (9 miles) on Sunday morning. First couple of miles I felt like absolute shit and was basically jogging, wondering when I could respectably retire without too much embarrassment. But once over the first big climb and descent, managed to pull myself back together. Managed a pb by about 2 mins, mainly off the back of now being a better athlete, but I was well off the pace I should be at. Suffering now with a cold, probably over pushing myself too hard.thats racing done til January 14th so back into the gym for some hard work over xmas.

The real long distance stuff, yes you obviously need an element of fitness, but it's equally (if not more) about the mental side, being able to look after yourself, knowing that you'll feel dire at certain points. In my last real biggie there was an Italian guy who was a supremely superior athlete to me, but he couldn't navigate and kept going wrong, he took over me about 6 times. Eventually he ran out of steam and I went past him on the final climb and never saw him again, he had gone to pieces... (I must admit i had tears in my eyes at this point from the mental strain as well).

Below is my written account on another forum, from a race in 2015 which shows when things go badly wrong... I'd also point out that this race, hypothermia and all, was in July...


"Today was a bit of an epic, the worst conditions I've ever encountered...

Rain was pretty much non stop and horizontal, wind on the Scoat Fell - Pillar ridge was enough to blow me over, and the state of some of the people who retired say more thsn I can about the combined effects of the cold/wind/rain....

I was timed out on Pillar. Things were going well up to Seatallan and i was a good 15 mins ahead of the cutoff, and although heading in the right directlion towards the Haycock/Scoat Fell col, I guess I took a terrible line in the zero visibility, and the people who caught up to me were backing right up against the cutoffs. Pressed on over Scoat Fell, and then encountered the first casualties. 4 or 5 guys helping a woman down who was suffering hypothermia, then some army guys who had retired or timed out I'm not sure. Around here I somehow turned 180 degrees and was heading away from Pillar. Whether I was heading down the Red Pike ridge or back towards Scoat a Fell I still don't know, but luckily I bumped into a lady who set me right.

By the time we reached Wind Gap the Pillar cutoff had gone, and we bumped into another 5 or 6 runners who were escorting a lady down who had fell and banged her head. I think 3 of us battled on up to Pillar checkpoint, with 9 peoples tags, to verify our location and time ourselves out, not that we had a choice as we were 20 mins past the cutoff.

Shame as I felt strong and was still moving well, albeit in the wrong direction at times, but the conditions were very harsh, and with slower rockier ground to come, it was probably a blessing that I was timed out, and didn't have that hard decision to make myself, as I'm not sure I'd have been man enough to retire.

I have to thank everyone involved today, from the runners who looked out for each other, to the marshals who stood out in such terrible conditions for our safety, I really have no hard feelings or disappointment about my first DNF"
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 12:59:18 (permalink)
Madness! Something to tell the great-great-grandchildren


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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 15:40:47 (permalink)
@Travs, what makes you want to put yourself through such punishment?
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 16:32:26 (permalink)
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@Travs, what makes you want to put yourself through such punishment?


I don't know the exact answer to that, but I guess a combination of things....

- obviously I enjoy the mountains.

- talent/ability at that type of sport/event... I can obviously navigate well and move quickly over rough ground, and I seem to get better at longer events (probably due to natural stubbornness than any sporting ability).

- I think a lot of people who like this kind of sport have something in them that makes them want to prove themselves. Probably some kind of psychological problem. Every time people tell me something's too hard or I can't do it, just spurs me on more... I got called a "nutter" the other day, this from a guy who's raced the Pennine Way non-stop, the Dragons Back across Wales, and the Coast To Coast Footpath non-stop.... to me that is the highest form of praise....!
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 16:43:40 (permalink)
Your resilience to injury is remarkable, I remember you saying that you hurt yourself and were running on the injury in a matter of days later... those sort of things fuck me up for time


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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 17:43:28 (permalink)
Yes you have to build up your body and that takes time. When I first got into Fell running I had just come off the back of a pro Muay Thai fight so I was incredibly fit and had a lot of running in my legs already. So I had no issue with the fitness, but whenever I got more than a couple of hours into a race I just couldn't handle the bashing my joints took running over mountains. I'm now 2 and a half years into serious racing and it's taken me until about August of this year to really develop the correct technique (and calf strength) to stave off the injuries and move efficiently.

I do try and structure my training a bit more nowadays to avoid injury... so instead of just going hell for leather every day, I put the real hard effort in on the track with my club a couple of times a week, then the other sessions are longer and a lot more steady, and plenty of strength work (massively neglected by many runners).

You can't really train for a 100 mile race by going out and doing, say 60 miles... the training would just leave you too knackered. In my view you just have to work as hard as possible in the time you have available, slowly build up the race distance, and rely on mental strength to get you the rest of the way.
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/06 18:23:23 (permalink)
Just had to google fell running.

Fuck that. No way siree. One small misjudgment on a fucking pebble and I’d be done for
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Re: RE: @ Gym peeps 2017/12/07 18:21:23 (permalink)
That cortisone injection has made the pain twice as bad FFS. Apparently normal and should settle down by the weekend. It better had... I can't even wipe my bum without pain. 


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